Post: #26

I'm a natural born killer. Chicks dig that.

Post: #27

If your game is primarily indirect(comfort building/repressing sexuality), you are not a Natural.

It is unnatural to be indirect around women you find attractive.

Post: #28

(03-03-2015 12:19 PM)Kish Wrote:  If your game is primarily indirect(comfort building/repressing sexuality), you are not a Natural.

It is unnatural to be indirect around women you find attractive.

LOL

WIA

Post: #29

I am a born beta but what I have noticed in most naturals is they dont take women seriously. Hell they dont take sex that seriously. If they dont get it, it is fine. They usually have an overiding passion besides women. No pedestalisation, no crying over rejections. To some like the Sheiks women are meant to be shat and pissed on. For them it is really just a game.

To betas like myself getting laid is a matter of life and death. Women are goddesses and not play things. Rejections are the end of the world. Hence the Elliot Rodgers and Sodinis of this world.

Post: #30

∆∆∆ Exactly. Men only covet the things they cannot have.

Naturals don't sweat pussy.
Men born into money don't sweat wealth.
Men with confidence don't sweat what others think.

My list of priorities:

God
Country
Corps
Family
Wealth
Fitness
Wealth
Travel
Pussy

Only when your life is prioritized, is when you'll understand the where pussy is on the pecking order.

Post: #31

I worked for a while with a Swedish guy who was 6" 5 and built like a model. He had a wooden personality, told terrible jokes, was workaholic and acted as if all the women throwing themselves at him were invisible. He only wanted to work and the girls frustration at not being able to get any attention from him drove them crazy. They'd dress up, flirt. Nothing. Also, the bitchiest girls from office were like sugary puppies to him, easy as pie. So - 1 be really good looking 2 see 1 . however, if this guy had game he would have slayed these girls as they constantly dropped bait for him to isolate them which he never took.

Post: #32

I knew a natural, I actually wish I kept in touch, gonna add him on fb right now...

He was an assistant manager at a place I worked. Southern bred, but no accent. Marine, honorable discharge for an injury.

Thinking about him, there are 3 things that jump out as a first impression; he's nearly always smiling, but more of a shit-eating grin than a puppydog smile, he's very high energy, and great posture.

He had a new piece of ass every week. Now, not all of them were smokers, and a good amount of them were girls I wouldn't bang, but he'd also get girls that were way hotter than any I'd been with. I was also in my embryo stage and was completely game-unaware. He would also go down to Mexico for P4P frequently. He didn't care, he just had an insatiable thirst for variety.

We once went on a hike, and at the time I was in great shape cardio-wise as I was hiking pretty regularly up in the Sespe wilderness. Knowing he was in good shape too I took us on a monster that lasted all day...on the way back to the car it was getting dark and we could barely see the ground in front of us. During the hike, every 30 minutes or so, this guy would light up a cigarette, charging up this mountain, completely unwinded! We smoked a bowl at the top, and on the way back it was the same. Chain smoking during an intense hike...crazy motherfucker. We got some pizza and beer when we got back to town, and I was ready to crash, totally beat. Him? He went out clubbing until 4am. I saw him the next day and he looked torn up but sure enough he went out again that night.

That was a typical weekend for him. Just made of different material than me or most guys. One of the most high energy guys I've ever met.

I remember this one time we went shopping at a hardware store, I had nothing to do all day so I was just tagging along. I was walking about 10 paces behind him, and there were several women in the store. I swear to god, when this guy walked by a chick, she would sort of raise her head, get this expression on her face, and crane her neck to check him out. He wasn't the greatest looking guy, but not bad. Looking back, I can safely call him a natural. He had the stink.

Post: #33

Growing up I had a good friend. He was short, not super good looking but not ugly either. He also has a small dick (don't ask me how i know this lol, no homo).

Anyway this guy who has many of the physical attributes working against him was banging all of the girls. It even happened a few times that a girl who might have started out somewhat interested in me (I was super beta bitch back then), would want him after hanging out with him. He wasn't even trying to take them from me, it just happened because they started to like him.

I'm taller and better looking than him, so how did he do it? The simple fact that hes very social. He was always joking around, doing funny things and making friends with everyone. He can easily control a social frame and keep talking for a long time.

Granted this was in high school and earlier with local town girls, most of whom I would barely even look at today. I don't know how the game would compare now in adult life because we don't chill anymore. Some of his silly social nuances stuck with me though.

Post: #34

I think Game is essentially mimicking what naturals do naturally. I have seen guys running Mystery Method who have never heard of PUA.

Post: #35

My best mate is a natural...but its not his looks.He reads and sees IOIs really fast.He just knows who likes him and he always has.He can not fathom that none of us do can see what he sees.Sex is on every corner to him.Not being able to pick up is laughable to him.This guy starting fucking chicks at 14 and he went to a all boys school.
Another friend who was actually more attractive in looks and build but was blind to all the women interested in him..I count myself in the blind group too ,for many years.Every women would move close on this guy but he had no confidence.
I work with another bloke that is so confident he deserves a smack in the mouth ,again women are drawn to him.He really flips the script on them.He can't believe it when I can't do what he does.He has never worked for it ,none of the naturals I know have.They live on a different planet...They laugh at pick up artist bootcamps or that a bloke has to go out and learn what they know.
Another mate is just jacked up and has about 200 women on Tinder but he really, really worked to get where he is so I don't count him as a natural.

Post: #36

(03-17-2015 07:34 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  My best mate is a natural...but its not his looks.He reads and sees IOIs really fast.He just knows who likes him and he always has.He can not fathom that none of us do can see what he sees.Sex is on every corner to him.Not being able to pick up is laughable to him.This guy starting fucking chicks at 14 and he went to a all boys school.
Another friend who was actually more attractive in looks and build but was blind to all the women interested in him..I count myself in the blind group too ,for many years.Every women would move close on this guy but he had no confidence.
I work with another bloke that is so confident he deserves a smack in the mouth ,again women are drawn to him.He really flips the script on them.He can't believe it when I can't do what he does.He has never worked for it ,none of the naturals I know have.They live on a different planet...They laugh at pick up artist bootcamps or that a bloke has to go out and learn what they know.
Another mate is just jacked up and has about 200 women on Tinder but he really, really worked to get where he is so I don't count him as a natural.

How old are those guys? When you learn Game naturally while being young from ages 14 on it's incredibly easy. Nothing compares to being 15 and knowing some aspects of Game well. Seduction becomes much more difficult with a similar mindset after leaving college.

Also most Naturals are caught off guard in relationships as this is a completely different mind-set. The majority of them are a shadow of former glory in their 30s.

All men need Game - period - even if you don't really require it for short-term seduction.

Post: #37

Best mate 41 this year would pass for early 30s extremely fit military man.In relationship.Still has a very sharp radar.He is like a caged animal at the moment
Really confident work mate 31.Over 60 lays before he was 22...fucking magnet this bloke.Not the best looking but he has got it.
Tinder guy 43 but 37 on Tinder..looks like Gosling...6 pack included..no steroids. Probably works the hardest with game.
Top 2 not on Tinder or any internet dating site.
I knew 1 other guy who was like Fonzie but he says he did not know what he had ,he got married and lost it...but he does own a multi million dollar business now.

Post: #38

(03-17-2015 07:34 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  My best mate is a natural...but its not his looks.He reads and sees IOIs really fast.He just knows who likes him and he always has.He can not fathom that none of us do can see what he sees.Sex is on every corner to him.Not being able to pick up is laughable to him.This guy starting fucking chicks at 14 and he went to a all boys school.

One of my family members is a natural and is exactly like this. He is the king of that shit. I had no idea he was so good at that until we went into a mall and he got several hot black women in downtown on lunch break to break their stride and lock eyes with him. Then he would have us walk by then turn the corner, he would then splinter away, head back behind that chick and then approach and get the number just like that!

He taught me that his philosophy that blind approaches are largely useless. Women see cute men they would be down with all the time. You just have to catch them looking at you a certain way with certain body language. He taught me how to examine their lips and the space between them. How they blink their eyes, how they turn and walk away, etc. to determine if you have at least a 5/10 chance of getting a number. His point was that, women are just so picky, why get beat down by striking out 100%, when you can at least get 3-4 numbers daygaming, using a for sure method to get IOIs. His whole thing was about efficiency. He did not want to waste his time talking with women that would never date him in a million years.

He would go so far as to non-verbal flirt from across a food court with a girl just to see what her reaction would be. Get a cheesy smile back, head on over, and you got a good shot. If not, if you catch her again around the same time later, she is as good as gotten.

Like your friend, he could not believe I was so unable to understand how he made this stuff work. He thought every man could see or notice women's behavior simply like that. I was too clueless back then on that aspect to notice all that.

Post: #39

^ I have a natural buddy. He relies solely on heavy IOI's. I think I have learned all I can from him by now as I pick things up quickly. At first I started giving into to his philosophy because yes your success rate after the approach is higher after fishing for IOI's.

I have approached way too many women from behind or the side though during day or night game that have been successful where they never saw me coming.

It is an ego protection that I have noticed many naturals have.

I think part of the reason they became naturals is they found a path that worked with little rejection and built on that... to a point, then slow down and stay boxed in to their comfortable game. They don't seek out mentors to push them further because they haven't had to.

Post: #40

(03-17-2015 02:43 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ I have a natural buddy. He relies solely on heavy IOI's. I think I have learned all I can from him by now as I pick things up quickly. At first I started giving into to his philosophy because yes your success rate after the approach is higher after fishing for IOI's.

I have approached way too many women from behind or the side though during day or night game that have been successful where they never saw me coming.

It is an ego protection that I have noticed many naturals have.

I think part of the reason they became naturals is they found a path that worked with little rejection and built on that... to a point, then slow down and stay boxed in to their comfortable game. They don't seek out mentors to push them further because they haven't had to.

That's the experience I had with many so called Naturals. My best friend is an 8-9 in looks with 6'3 - before learning Game most considered him the shit as he approached girls only after massive IOIs and had some natural solid Game he spit that led to many notches.

However after having learned Game consciously it's x times superior with him approaching higher quality lays, not only those that give him strong IOIs. Also he sealed the deal on many girls that previously would have eluded them.

Another point I noticed about one Natural I know is that him being a 7-8 on the looks scale is that he banged mostly 4-5s with the occasional 6. Very rarely did he reach a 7 or 8 due to some of his "natural" limitations of Game.

I don't discount many guys, but I frankly cannot even imagine any natural guy out there who can match a master of conscious Game - someone who has imbued LTR Game as well incl. the Red Pill with total perception of the female psyche. There are plenty of guys who get laid a lot and Krauser often mentioned that:

- the super-wealthy ones
- the celebs
- the guys with "cool" jobs - musician, actor, artist, diving instructors, skiing instructors etc.
- the guy who looks like a celebrity - I personally met guys who looked like James Dean or Ryan Gosling
- situational Alphas with status - pilots, professors, CEOs, corporate "superstars", teachers etc.
- the high energy extrovert who drew people in with Charisma
- some guys I met who used certain lines and approaches literally hundreds of times and it worked for them


There are plenty of other types who needed little added Game to get laid. However that does not isolate them from the sexual market and it certainly gives them shit whenever they are in a LTR with a woman.

Even here on the forum we have some men who would classify as Naturals like Vinman or Giovonny, but even they needed some Red Pill and conscious Game later on to improve their results not wanting to settle for some low-level chicks.

Post: #41

fishing for IOIs is a cornerstone of my game and it does a lot for me, but I'm no natural, I lost my virginity in my 20s after reading a bunch of PUA blogs and forums

Post: #42

I know a natural who killed it in college. He was very good looking did not give a shit about anything. He put no effort into relationships and was stoned all the time. Just took things as they came and if it happened, cool, if not, fuck it. I learned to not give a shit after watching him in action. Probably the most valuable thing I learned while watching him.

Post: #43

(03-17-2015 07:18 PM)Remington Wrote:  I know a natural who killed it in college. He was very good looking did not give a shit about anything. He put no effort into relationships and was stoned all the time. Just took things as they came and if it happened, cool, if not, fuck it. I learned to not give a shit after watching him in action. Probably the most valuable thing I learned while watching him.

My first roomate in college was exactly like this. He taught me the power of a second pass to throw off perception of looking thirsty. He was good at pulling AKAs (a black sorority) and yellowbones. He was tall and good looking but high all the fucking time.

I looked him up a year ago and he is a pastor now. LOL. If they had any idea how wild he was..... I sent him a FB friend request. He never accepted it. Bad memories? Or maybe he forgot who the fuck I am?

Post: #44

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Post: #45

@TravelerKai, could you explain the 'second pass'?


A good friend of mine is a natural by the criteria of the players here.

His main features are his looks, and ability to communicate naturally with women. He uses social circle approaches, which is easy compared to other types, but I would say he is aggressively expansive about his social circle. He adds girls he doesn't know on facebook, and uses his text game to hook them, or approaches girls he knows socially.

We talk openly with each other about our exploits, and I occasionally drop some game knowledge I might have learned, or some red-pill thinking, in a subtle way, as he is far from intellectual, but not stupid by any means.

Talking to him last night, in between him texting a few girls, he said he had banged 3 different girls over 4 days. He said he could have banged another but was worn out.

His literacy is poor, but he says he is getting better at it, and consequently his text game is getting sharper. He said he "is evolving", meaning he recognises there are some skills involved, and he notices his ability getting better, but he isn't game-aware at all.

He is a great guy to go out with, as women gravitate towards him. He even throws scraps to his buddies

Post: #46

I don't want to list too many specifics because some of the stories I would tell would totally make me identifiable to too many people but I can tell a few.

One of my best friends in college had a brother that was constantly horny and banging women, some cute, some just nasty trolls, he would fuck anything. Very good at being sociable, identifying when a woman was interested and pouncing on them.

Another guy I knew in Santa barbara, a surfer who always had a million surfer chicks around. good looking, great athlete, good at closing. The way the women would talk about him like they couldn't get enough of him.

One of the italian theater teachers I met in Italy was a total natural, but also had oneitis for a married chick that he was banging. I didn't understand it. All of the girls in class fucking loved him and he banged some of the hottest of the group. good on him. Good at escalating, I met his father, another total alpha, had a farm, at sunday dinner kept his shirt off the entire time even tho his wife was yelling at him to put it back on etc. hilarious now that I think about it.

Post: #47

The term natural has a lot of variety. Getting pass looks where you have a case with a guy with model genetics and he bangs 6-7s growing up because of being approached by women, I think a lot of it has to do with your environment growing up.

I've seen too often there is a correlation between the father figure and the son. Meaning if the father is a natural alpha the son is probably going to be doing similar things. Obviously people would just simply say it's just 'genetics' getting passed down but it's more than that. I think an adopted son growing up in that environment would also lead to being more 'natural'. If you're not encourage to court girls at a young age who the fuck knows how a kid is going to grow up?

It's kind of like expecting a kid to know how to fight and defend himself without teaching the kid which is actually what the majority of parents don't do.

Post: #48

One of my friends has consistently slain puss since we were in high school. He's fucked waaayyyy more girls than I have. He just has a really outgoing and "don't give a fuck" personality. The only problem is, he always LTRs a crazy skank who proceeds to tear his life apart. I don't get it. How can you be confident enough to bang women all the time, but fall into the same trap over and over?

Post: #49

(03-17-2015 07:32 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  He taught me the power of a second pass to throw off perception of looking thirsty.

What do you mean with this?

Post: #50

Is it possible to become a Natural? As in, you study the Game consciously whether by reading or by observing human interactions and attempting pickup, with initial failures to the point where you begin to succed with women naturally without thinking about it.

Like learning to drive a car. One day you can drive without thinking about it.

I think Roosh alluded to this in his post, the Myth of the Natural.