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Book Review: Millionaire Next Door
I searched the forum to see if anyone here had reviewed this book, but didn't find any threads on this. This is a book for the future 1%ers of this forum and according to various research, about 22-25% of Americans will experience being in the 1% at least one year of their lifetime as far as income. When it comes to wealth, that takes more work, as wealth is saved (retained) income. For another review from the approach of lessons to learn, you can read this from Robert Brokamp.

The authors of this book have studied wealth and income and unlike much of the news you hear, know that most of the stuff we hear are lies about both (some of this may be ignorance instead of lies). They begin by telling us the characteristics of your average American millionaire:
Quote:Interestingly, self-employed people make up less than 20 percent of the workers in America but account for two-thirds of millionaires.

[The "we" is the millionaire]

In other words, we live on less than 7 percent of our wealth.

We have a ‘go-to-hell fund.’ In other words, we have accumulated enough wealth to live without working for ten or more years. Thus, those of us with a net worth of $1.6 million could live comfortably for more than twelve years. Actually, we could live longer than that, since we save at least 15 percent of our earned income.

About two-thirds of us work between forty-five and fifty-five hours per week.

Consider this fact: Most millionaires we have interviewed never in their lifetimes spent near $65,000 for an automobile. In fact, as we will report in Chapter 4, more than half of the millionaires we interviewed never paid more than $30,000 for a motor vehicle.

[The average age of a millionaire in the United States is 57.]

More than half of millionaires never inherited money.

Eighty percent of millionaires are first generation affluent.

Most millionaires are men or married men [no surprise - married men's wives stay at home].

Ninety-seven percent of millionaires are home owners.

I enjoyed the characteristics because when Millennials whine about not being millionaires at 27, it shows how absolutely ignorant they are about money. Most of you won't. The average millionaire in the United States is 57 years old, and this is an above average person who's hustling like crazy. Most of the billionaires, like Michael Dell, are people who come up with bold solutions to problems that enrich all of us, but few can become these because few want to solve very difficult problems (in the US, 70% of billionaires are non-silver spooners - meaning they weren't born into it).

To give a Red Pill example of this, I remember seeing Aaron Clarey ask why he wasn't a millionaire. I'm thinking Aaron is late 30s and simply put Aaron, you have about 17-19 more years to go (an estimate), assuming that you've been putting away a decent amount of what you earned. So Aaron may be a millionaire in his 50s, but we don't see that now because he's younger than that (I like Aaron's stuff because he's one of the few RPers that really gets the math of economics, so he's definitely worth watching and reading). This is true for all these ignorant media stories you read where the 24 year old college graduate is complaining about their $85K income - "I can just barely save $20K a year; I'll never be a millionaire!"

It is certainly possible to become a millionaire before an older age, but you're going to have to work at a much faster pace than most. The only two millionaires I've met in their twenties were both working 90+ hours a week for over 7 years years (beginning at 18) and both skipped college (it involved too much time and time). One became a millionaire at 26 and the other became a millionaire at 29. They still both work over 60 hours a week.

Also, who you think is a millionaire may not be one. Just because someone drives an Audi or BMW does not mean they have millions. They may be in debt up to their ears. Case in point: I was in a professional group of very "ambitious" men who were in the age range of 28-32, and asked these men how many of them had saved six figures in wealth - just six figures. Even though most of these men made six figures in income, none of them had managed to save six figures. If we assume that all of them took the lazy route and only saved $15,000 a year on their $100K, they should have at least six figures in wealth - and yet they didn't. As the authors put it:

Quote:They inoculate themselves from heavy spending by constantly reminding themselves that many people who have high-status artifacts, such as expensive clothing, jewelry, cars, and pools, have little wealth.

The authors spend time comparing to Doctors - Dr. South and Dr. North - who both are income rich, yet save and invest differently. The result is that we see how someone can be income rich, yet poor in wealth, while another can be income rich and rich in wealth. But before anyone thinks they need to make six figures (while that will help), most millionaires were making $70K throughout their career - you don't actually need to make six figures to eventually be a millionaire; but you will need the consistent behavior of sacrificing your current income. Make no mistake, like the authors point out, anyone can come up with rationalizations why they won't sacrifice their current income.

In meeting a few 1%ers in my life (almost always older), I've compared how they differ from most, and this book shows some of these same patterns. For an example, here are some differing patterns of statements from 1%ers vs 99%ers:
  1. "It's just money" vs. "What a waste of life"
  2. "Money doesn't buy happiness" vs. "Money is a useful tool"
  3. "Work sucks" vs. "Work opens opportunity"
  4. "I don't save because" (always some reason) vs. "I always save."
  5. "I should earn more money because I graduated college" vs. "You can only learn selling by selling"

Unfortunately, amassing wealth is not an interest of most young people, so if you're young and you're working to do this, you will be very alone in this (which isn't bad, it will strengthen you). I would avoid this topic of conversation, especially anything relating to financial sacrifice, as this will never be "cool" to do. From my own life, I remember being 19 and working two jobs and one project and my friends kept telling me to "chill and take it easy" which I knew was unwise. I can see how different we are now and the results of that. Unfortunately, you have to understand that most people (financially) want you to justify their actions - the "chill and take it easy" types really want to feel comfortable about what they're not doing.

Finally, the part that angers everyone is the authors way to determine if you're wealthy:
Quote:Multiply your age times your realized pretax annual household income from all sources except inheritances. Divide by ten. This, less any inherited wealth, is what your net worth should be.

This equation tends to have older-age bias, but it useful for young people who want to be 1%ers to consider. A 35 year old with a pre-tax income of $65,000 should have a net worth of $2,275,500. Assuming that he started making that income level at 22 (and never got a raise - which would be under ambitious), he should have saved $84,500 in principal at 10% savings, $126,750 at 15% savings, and $169,000 at 20% savings. The age is what hurts him in this case, as his wealth has only had 13 years to grow - using the 20% savings rate and 13 years, at 9% his net worth would be about $338,000. However, if that same rate held for 33 years (he would be 55), his net worth would be over $2.5 million dollars. The only problem that I have with this equation is that it assumes a strong return on saved/invested money - unfortunately, even Warren Buffett has warned that we'll see lower returns in the future. Therefore, this equation may be updated to be divided by 20 (instead of ten) based on halving the returns (about $1.1 million dollars by 55, which is doable at 5% return).

For the record, one of the authors addresses this on his blog and suggests:
Quote:Perhaps an equally viable rule of thumb was developed by a reporter from U.S. News and World Report who interviewed me about The Millionaire Next Door. She wrote that in order to reach millionaire status by age 57 one should invest 5% of his income in his 20s, 10% in his 30s, 15% in his 40s and 20% or more during his 50s. I have yet to verify this statistically, but from a glance it seems like her advice was sound.

I'll be the unpopular one and suggest adding 5% to each of her figures. Remember, this assumes that you're not out of work and that you're consistently saving. This also leads to the part that angers most young people: most millionaires and most people who will become millionaires in the United States will be older people. Ironically, this refutes many wealth inequality arguments, as it would be a disturbing sign if the majority of millionaires were young, as this would imply that working over a lifetime (and building on experience) has little value.

Finally, millionaires don't take breaks from their profession and "find themselves." They work and they work ever year, knowing how a little action over a long time leads to significant results. This is incredibly challenging because as we all get better at our profession, it will bore us - this is the nature of being good at something; it stops challenging you as much. But you won't find 4HWW advice in this book (I've met Ferriss and the guy works insanely hard, but he knows how to market - people want to hear it's easy); simply learning to not let "boring" stand in our way of doing something is a valuable skill (especially if we can take what's boring and see value in it).
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Great post. My mom had me read this book when I was really young, like 13 or 14, and it really resonated with me. I read it again in college and it held up.

My biggest take-away from the book was that it's not about how much you make, but how much you spend.

I know people making tons of money who complain about being broke and unable to afford their houses. It's crazy.

One of my friends was actually given me shit the other day because he found out he was making almost twice as much as me. I asked how much he was saving and he admitted he was broke and living pay-check to pay-check.
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Do not read this book. It will poison your mind.
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(07-02-2015 08:26 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  Do not read this book. It will poison your mind.

What's bad about it? I read the book a while ago and a lot of it made sense. Spend less than you earn. Spend wisely. Marry wisely. Raise your children wisely. With excellent counterexamples of what goes wrong when you don't.

Have you read the book?
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(07-02-2015 08:26 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  Do not read this book. It will poison your mind.

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I don't really understand the appeal - what's so good about being a millionaire at age 57? What's the end goal? Spend or keep saving? Especially if one has been really frugal all their life to get there, it's not like you're going to suddenly start spending and making 'good use' of that large sum of money. So what's even the point of saving (a lot) in the first place?

I can understand being a millionaire by age 30, that could be an important and motivational goal. But being a millionaire by, lets say for the sake of argument, 70 or 80 just isn't very appealing. If one has to sacrifice a lot in their prime 20s, 30s and 40s to become a millionaire by the time you're nearly 60, it just doesn't seem like a good trade-off to me.
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Who the fuck wants to be a millionaire at age 50? or 60? Having sacrificed their 20s and 30s?

That is a ridiculous proposition

What is the point of being rich if you don't have the relative youth/health to enjoy it?

That is just simply pointless

These are "slowlane" mentality.

I suggest you check out a really good book by the title "The Millionaire Fastlane" by MJ Demarco. It will blow your mind

Quick update: there is a mj demarco thread already. /thread-5322.html


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(07-02-2015 10:07 AM)CuntLord Wrote:  Who the fuck wants to be a millionaire at age 50? or 60? Having sacrificed their 20s and 30s?

That is a ridiculous proposition

What is the point of being rich if you don't have the relative youth/health to enjoy it?

That is just simply pointless

These are "slowlane" mentality.

I suggest you check out a really good book by the title "The Millionaire Fastlane" by MJ Demarco. It will blow your mind

Quick update: there is a mj demarco thread already. /thread-5322.html


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This logic is flawed - You are making two very flawed assumptions here:

1. You are assuming that the "fast-lane" business men aren't busting their ass with 60+ hours a week throughout their twenties. Further, keep in mind that less than 10% will succeed, and out of those 10%, probably only 10% will stop working 60 hour weeks.

2. You are assuming that older people enjoy money less, or have a lesser need or appreciation of money. If anything, significantly more money will be required for you to retain a comfortable lifestyle as you age, and even more so than that if you plan not to work. On top of that, age slows you down - imagine having 1/3 the energy that you have now.

Now tell me, when you are 55+ do you want to be pulling 50 hour weeks to support your healthcare (your expenses will rise significantly, do you have aging relatives?), house (hopefully, nobody wants to grow old in a shitty apartment), children (if you so chose), and vacations to rest your tired overworked old bones?

Fuck no - what you want is to have a comfortable savings to fly to the Phillipines, build a house, and pursue your hobbies as you please.

You say what is the point of being a millionaire if you don't have the youth or health to enjoy it? Well you can forget about health if you are a middle class citizen - you can't afford it now, and with the way things are going, health care costs will only rise. Further, $$ will only extend your youth.

Anyone who is arguing against putting in solid hours (60+ hours a week) in their twenties and thirties for the guarantee of coasting in their fifties is simply delusional. Your mid thirties to late thirties is the only solid window of time where you will be at your peak and able to pull these kind of hours. And in fact, when you are sixty years old, pulling 30 hours a week then will have the same effect on your body as 60 hours a week now.

What the hell are you spending your precious time on these next ten years that you want to rob yourself of the chance to live a peaceful and carefree life when you are older? Are you expecting the state to cover your ass? Remember, you are going to be the same person in the future as you are now, except then you will be old and kicking yourself for not making preparations.

Remember this quote: Its ok to be old, and its ok to be poor, but its never ok to be both.

Aging is expensive - Save this post and read it again when you are 55 and tell me who was right and who is "slowlane."

FYI - Im in my late twenties - I busted my ass and now I'm trying to save $500 - 1,000 a month. I hope to increase my income these coming years. I'll see you at $500k.

P.S. if you sincerely found a way to become a millionaire by your thirties without busting your ass now, please let me know.
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Good posts by the OP and se7en.

The real point of the book isn't how to be a Millionaire at 57, its to breakdown the spending and savings habits of the small few who have disproportionally a lot more savings then their peers. The stat of the average person being a millionaire at 57 shouldn't be a goal, its a warning. The authors show that lots of people around us with signs of wealth are one missed paycheck away from being broke. Must people never make it (end up broke after a lifetime of work) and the average age of even those who do is 57. Its a good book in living below your means and not blowing your paycheck every week, something I didn't get while I was longer. MikeCF has written some very similar info on this over the years too that is worth the info. I think one of them is a podcast called '30 things for under 30s' of something.

Another good listen is 'the strangest secret' by Earl Nightingale.
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Great review, I will definitely pick up a copy. Thanks Smile
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(07-02-2015 09:02 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  
(07-02-2015 08:26 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  Do not read this book. It will poison your mind.

Support your claim.

Winning in the end is good, but winning in the beginning, middle AND end is a lot more fun.
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(07-02-2015 08:51 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Good posts by the OP and se7en.

The real point of the book isn't how to be a Millionaire at 57, its to breakdown the spending and savings habits of the small few who have disproportionally a lot more savings then their peers. The stat of the average person being a millionaire at 57 shouldn't be a goal, its a warning. The authors show that lots of people around us with signs of wealth are one missed paycheck away from being broke. Must people never make it (end up broke after a lifetime of work) and the average age of even those who do is 57. Its a good book in living below your means and not blowing your paycheck every week, something I didn't get while I was longer. MikeCF has written some very similar info on this over the years too that is worth the info. I think one of them is a podcast called '30 things for under 30s' of something.

Another good listen is 'the strangest secret' by Earl Nightingale.

You basically nailed the point of my OP in fewer words.

I get the attitude that many can do better and become richer in a short period of time, and some can and do (like I mentioned in my OP, I know two who did, but they were hustling like crazy). Most of the above average people will become millionaires later in life, even if the notion of that turns them off. The exceptional people will become millionaires in their 20s or 30s, but these are the few. Then there are those rare people who solve a major problem and become billionaires.

Attaining wealth is not easy; I've watched many people banking a half a million in a year, only to either lose everything, or to convince themselves that they hated their life and stop all their progress and attainment. A person must master their own mind before doing so and this book highlights some people who did it slowly but surely, which shows another path of patiently accumulating wealth.

I enjoyed the read and can apply some of the points; I prefer becoming a millionaire and beyond before 50. But I realize that I have to do a lot and overcome the temptation to be complacent as I experience success.
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Thomas Stanley died a couple years ago in a car accident. So unfortunately we cannot enjoy any more of his work relating to millionaires in the future. While I would encourage people to read The Millionaire Next Store first; if you enjoy learning about millionaires you would also benefit from his most recent work Stop Acting Rich. In that book Stanley identifies a distinction among Millionaire households in purchasing habits. Most Millionaires are low 7 figures however some are what he labels "the glittering rich" with net worth's at least in the mid 8 figures. These people can actually spend like Millionaires the way the public thinks Millionaires should spend since the purchase of a 6 figure car or 5 figure handbag is nothing to their net worth.

It is this distinction between "the glittering rich" and "the millionaire next door types" which is critical for the public to understand. The people who make up "the glittering rich" are a small minority and often to reach their level of wealth they next spent like they were glittering rich when they were still low net worth.
On “the glittering rich”:
Quote:No matter what they spend their money on, though, it ’ s just a fraction
of their overall net worth. In other words, even the glittering rich spend
below their means. They are a very small minority, about 2 percent of U.S.
millionaire households; no more than 80,000 in total.
As of the first quarter of 2007, in order to qualify as glittering rich, one needed to generate an annual realized household income of over $2 million, have a net worth in
excess of $20 million, and live in a home valued at over $2 million (at least
$3 million in California)

On varying spending habits of the glittering rich (Stanley relays a interview with a reporter)

Quote:Mr. Warner: I recently interviewed two billionaires. The one who
made his fortune in retailing told me that he wears
a $100 watch, inexpensive $300 suits,
and has never
owned a boat, let alone a yacht. The other fellow, who
founded an insurance company, wears very expensive
custom - made suits and has a drawer full of $10,000
watches. Plus he owns a yacht that costs over $10 million.

How would you explain these differences?

Dr. Stanley: The fellow who wears inexpensive suits likely came from
a middle - class background. His parents were not rich but
they were, as often said, comfortable. He was never embarrassed
about the socioeconomic position of his parents or
the artifacts they owned. Even though he is a billionaire
today, he never feels the need to express his success via
clothes, vehicles, watercraft, and such. His achievements are
often recognized by all those charitable causes he supports

and by articles that profile him in the press.

Mr. Warner: What about the other fellow?

Dr. Stanley: He probably came from an economically poor family.
Poverty might have hung over his head all the while he
was growing up. He often felt embarrassed and humiliated
about lacking even the most basic things. Plus it is likely
that his parents provided him anything but a loving,
nurturing environment. Today he wants everyone to know
that he no longer lives on Hungry Street.
He buys himself
the gifts he never received as a youngster. How did I do?

Mr. Warner: You nailed it!

One interesting observation from Stop Acting Rich was the way he identified the purchasing habits of engineers who statistically are in one of the professions while the highest percentage of millionaires in spite of not necessarily earning a very high salary (see below). When Stanley looked at the car purchases of millionaires the most popular car choice was a Toyota
On Engineer's car purchases:
Quote:Tom, however, because he is an engineer — and a true success in every
sense of the word — is more focused on value and quality than showmanship.
Within the millionaire population, engineers in general are among
the most frugal. They tend to place more value on how well a product
like a car is engineered and how well it functions than on style and fashion.

In other words, engineers value good engineering more than excessive
chrome, overaccessorized, glitzy motor vehicles. Engineers tend to
be much more sensitive to variations in the physical characteristics of
the things they buy and relatively insensitive to the marketing hype.

On Millionaire Engineers:

Quote:Estate data from the Internal Revenue Service also confirms that
engineers have a high propensity to accumulate wealth. About 1 in
13 (7.6 percent) of all male decedents with a gross estate of $1 million
or more was once an engineer. Yet engineers account for only
about 2.3 percent of the male working population in this country.
Thus, engineers are overrepresented by a multiple of 3.3 times the
expectation, given their overall representation in the male working
population.

On very expensive vehicles:

Quote:For instance, of the 445 Rolls - Royces sold in the United States in
2005, about one - third of the buyers were celebrities
, such as sports
figures and entertainers. 5 This is an interesting statistic when you consider
that based on the high - income - producing celebrity population, they
should account for just 4 percent of Rolls - Royce customers. Of the
nearly 140 million income producers in the United States, only about
354,000 generate an annual realized income of $1 million or more, and
the majority of those are business owners. No more than 4 percent of
these high - income producers are celebrities. These facts bring home two
important points:
1. Most millionaires do not spend lavishly on luxury items.
2. The people who do spend extravagantly on prestige items are celebrities,
a terrifically small proportion of the overall population and a
tiny percentage of even the millionaire population — and they spend
disproportionately on these items (which may explain why we read
so often about celebrities going broke
).

On booze: (Note this explains why broke chicks living the Sex and City Lifestyle have “sophisticated alcohol tastes”)
Quote:Do you believe that paying $60 for a bottle of vodka or $15 for a
vodka martini will make you a member of an exclusive group
? Of course,
$15 is, in the scope of things, a fairly low initiation fee. And it is faster and
less arduous and risky than building a business.
What if you cannot afford to fill your home with all these glittering
brands? You are an aspirational. Perhaps you do not even own a home. Not
to worry. Do your entertaining in bars and restaurants. This is what millions
of aspirational people do on a regular basis. When you do, be sure to
order a brand that glitters.

Case study of Rodney (the prole with expensive tastes):
Quote:Rodney is a liquor store clerk. He is not rich, but he has more than a
strong preference for Grey Goose vodka. He is a Grey Goose zealot. It is
the only brand of spirits that he consumes.
How does Rodney explain his devotion to Grey Goose? He claims
that “ it ’ s the taste . . . nothing else comes close. ” After he made this statement
I asked him if he had reviewed the results of the taste test of brands
of vodka conducted by the New York Times. 7 I mentioned that Grey Goose
did not even make the top 10 in the list.

Quote:Rodney uses Grey Goose as a way to bolster his self - esteem. He needs to believe that his favorite brand of vodka tastes substantially better to him than all others. Rodney has convinced himself that extremely rich people have superior taste, which is why so many of them prefer Grey Goose.Thus Rodney ’ s preference for “ the Goose, ” as he often calls it, helps himconnect and even feel like part of this clan.

Quote:It is unlikely that Rodney will ever become a full - fledged high -
earning glittering rich person. Instead of ordering the entire dinner,
Rodney orders off the appetizer menu. And as long as he can hang out
with those who glitter in the proverbial hyperconsumption restaurant, he
feels important and that he has achieved. Eating off the appetizer menu is
what many of us do. We buy select prestige brands, symbols from within
product categories that we can barely afford, and we feel these badges bring us success. But we know that ’ s an illusion. We are not richer or more successful for having dropped $60 on a bottle of Grey Goose.

Quote:How was Rodney conditioned into having such strong preferences for
certain prestige brands? First, like many, Rodney was trained to admire,
even to have affection for the glittering rich. In countless news articles,
TV programs, and movies, those who have money and spend it are not
only featured, they are constantly placed in a favorable light
, typically featured in the context of consumption. It is all about their multimillion -
dollar homes, fleets of expensive motor vehicles, custom clothes hanging in countless closets, swimming pools, yachts, and on and on. Yet often missing in these feature stories are revelations about the extraordinary work ethic or downright good luck of these high - income producers. The media has convinced people to admire the consumption behavior of high - income - producing celebrities.

Quote:In trying to act rich by imitating big - spending rich people, who
is Rodney really impressing? Certainly it is not the rich! In reality, he
impresses only himself and some of his friends who enjoy impersonating
the glitteringly rich
. If it weren ’ t sad, it would actually be pretty
funny.

On consumption affecting net worth among high earners

Quote:You have a much better chance of becoming wealthy if you do not try
to emulate the consumption habits of those with high occupational status. I
have examined the wealth characteristics of 10 occupation groups (see
Table 2.4). Consider two of the occupational groups: physicians and farmers.
High - income - producing physicians are heavily concentrated in and around
cities. They tend to live in fi ne homes situated in pricey neighborhoods,
drive expensive motor vehicles, dress well, patronize expensive stores, and
hyperconsume in a variety of other ways. Most farmers, irrespective of
income level, live and work in rural areas. They do not demonstrate their
socioeconomic status by living high on the consumption continuum. This
applies to most farmers, even those who produce high incomes.
Approximately 4 in 10 physicians have an annual realized income of
$200,000 or more. That equates to almost 13 times the percentage for the
total household population in America. Yet in spite of this large percentage
being in the high - income - producing group, only about 1 in 10 is a millionaire and has financial assets of $1 million or more. However, for every
farmer with a high income, there are nearly 2 (1.9) having an investment
portfolio worth at least $1 million.

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Quote:Many farmers are rich because they adhere to the basic rule for building
wealth: Whatever your income is, live below your means. This is very
diffi cult to do when you live in a high - occupational - status, hyperconsuming
neighborhood that begets even more expenses. Move to Affl uent
Estates, live next to doctors, join country clubs. You will be mingling with
hyperconsumers, but you won ’ t likely be mixing it up with actual millionaires.
If you want to hang out with truly wealthy people, then attend trade
shows and conferences put on for farmers, scrap metal dealers, dry cleaners,
engineers, and the like. Isn ’ t it ironic that those who have the so - called
highest status afforded by society, who live in the toniest neighborhoods,
and who drive the nicest cars are ultimately not the richest

On housing:
Quote:Why are these high - status groups so bad at accumulating wealth?
There are many reasons. Most live in or near high - cost - of - living metropolitan
areas. They tend to live in expensive homes situated in or near
exclusive neighborhoods. And so they spend accordingly, with little left
over for saving and investing.

The most productive accumulators of wealth spend far less than they
can afford on homes, cars, clothing, taxes, vacations, food, beverages, and
entertainment. As many millionaires see it, living in a pricey neighborhood
is a bad idea. Why live in a million - dollar neighborhood when one fi lled
with $300,000 or $400,000 homes will serve the purpose? Real and actual
millionaires understand that when you live in a luxury house, you are also
buying a luxury lifestyle. Included in this lifestyle are the social pressures

to redecorate frequently, join the country club, and send your children to
private schools. Your property taxes continue to skyrocket, along with the
cost of utilities and insurance. Plus the prices of nearby services tend to be
higher, from grocery stores to dry cleaners.

source

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Quote:Estate data from the Internal Revenue Service also confirms that
engineers have a high propensity to accumulate wealth. About 1 in
13 (7.6 percent) of all male decedents with a gross estate of $1 million
or more was once an engineer. Yet engineers account for only
about 2.3 percent of the male working population in this country.
Thus, engineers are overrepresented by a multiple of 3.3 times the
expectation, given their overall representation in the male working
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Hated the book. I got to the end and thought "all you've said is that if you save money for a long time you'll have lots of money". Dull, oversimplistic, pointless book. Nothing noteworthy about being a millionaire just before you go to your grave. Oh great - your kids can spend the remainder on the things you probably should have back when you weren't decrepit.

Fine, yes you shouldn't waste money on junk, but life isn't about pinching pennies every day until you're grey.
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I get what this book is trying to get across. But it acts more like a backup plan to become a millionaire. It's the more stable way, but less fun and risky. It's basically the middle class guide to save a million dollars. What's the fun in that. What's the point of being a millionaire if you have to limit your spending to a $30,000 car because you're penny pinching to get the million dollar savings. I know a few millionaires, and some that are close, and non of them have hit 40. One became a millionaire by the time he was 18 being highly successful in a multi-level marketing company, and to this day, being almost a decade and a half later, he's living the most baller lifestyle I can imagine out of people I know personally.

He's a man I admire greatly, living the type of life I want, with a nice stable family, several super cars, million dollar home, and still making bank, because he knew how to hustle when he was young and learned to live a good life through learning from other highly successful people. I mean when most people think millionaire lifestyle, THAT is what I think they are imagine. Not some secret closet millionaire next door who's in his late 50s driving a brand new Honda Accord.

A more realistic example, a close friend of mine, is about to pull the trigger on a half million dollar property as an investment. he's maybe a couple months over 30, and already has a high 6 figure account through just a stock portfolio over the course of 5 years. He works at the same time, and he took the time to learn about the market from reputable people, and being patient.

My point is, you can either REALLY want it and find a way to get it, and I mean HUNGRY for it, learn the craft of whatever path you chose until you're an expert, and just hustle your ass off, OR you can take the longer, more stable, less fun, *easier* way out and just penny pinch until you're 50+, and enjoy a payment free BMW 5 series tops. I mean what's the fun in that. Given the choice, I know 95% of people would choose the former result, but whether they can muster up the hunger for it is a different story. I admit I myself am NOWHERE near that level, but I do wish to get there before a certain age. If you want to save your way there, this book is great. If you want to hustle your ass there as fast as you can and enjoy as much as you can, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
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Keep in mind for every story you have like that about these baller friends, there are at least 100 guys who crashed and burned. Hustle doesn't guarantee anything. It is the most basic ingredient to wealth creation.

I'm not trying to be a dick. Nor bash your friends. I'm happy for their success. But when we share stories like that it gives young people this idea that it is so easy. I'm not sure what MLM business or scheme your friend was in but those rarely turn out well for people.

Even making a million by 50 is rare for most.

And while it means more, in a fun way, to be driving a Ferrari at 25 than at 50. It is still a super rare event.

I wish you luck on making it big, I really do. Share what you did so maybe the rest of us have a chance. Being sincere.

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An essential book for understanding how the world actually works.
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This discussion is all about revenue generation vs. expense management. They're both important but there are some key differences here.

1. Revenue generation aka getting paid is necessary to sustain living from the most basic standards to millionaire living. While it's possible to save your money until you accumulate over a 1M, this is not the same thing as a high revenue generating role.

2. Expense management is key and moreso the less money you make. Nobody ever became rich cutting coupons and reusing diapers but if you don't make a lot of money this may help you from getting evicted or skipping a meal.

Some people never learn to manage money but they have a gift for making money. So they make millions but spend it just as quickly. Part of their success probably is their spending. You gotta spend money to make money the saying goes.

Yet others obsess over every penny and become extremely risk averse and that holds back their growth and earnings potential. Be it their unwillingness to quit their job and look for a higher paying one or risk a career move that may get them a promotion or failure.

Bottom line is that the smart man practices both. It takes a cool head to realize manage your spending so you're enjoying the present as well as planning for the future while positioning to make more money.

P.S. Saving money is always good. Your most productive and highest earning years as a man are going to be your 30-50s. You don't want to be low on cash when you can no longer work.
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Book was alright, nothing special. Read it at least 10+ years ago. If you have any kind of prior knowledge about money and wealth then its not going to tell you anything new, being careful with your money and having a long term view will likely result in having decent wealth when you're old. Great. Unfortunately that does little for your goals and life today, now. It's important, but shouldn't be your main angle. Wealth alone isn't my goal. Living a decently enjoyable life, now, while keeping my static expenses low, and working independently with flexibilty, that is the new wealth. Or at least mine.

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