Post: #151

(11-11-2015 05:36 PM)Moma Wrote:  Ognor, the point isn't how hard it is to get that body, the point is, when one gets there, does gaming become exponentially easier? The answer is yes. There is no magic bullet for punani but many guys from different races (Anonymous Bosch is white and swollen and so is MikeCF) have also chimed in on this truth. Rionomad is also white and has chimed in. Again, you denialists are lazy, sorry to say. You just want some app that transforms your body for you. Sorry but you will have to do some heavy lifting.

P.S. I just came back from the gym and I am preparing some chicken to replenish my muscles.

I agree with what you're saying, but once again you're proving my point for me, thank you. MikeCF who I greatly respect, has been a huge proponent of steroids and has openly talked about using them and chronicled his use, would he have achieved those same results going natural? Despite his steroid use he put in the work over the course of 20 some odd years, he's in his mid-40's.

His 20 years of weight training aren't relevant to a scrawny ass 22 year old who looks like he's just survived an African famine in Sudan. So to all the 22 year old guys on here, start lifting now and in 20 years you'll be a stud and have all kinds of easy pussy, when you're jacked as hell in your 40's.

Again you use Anonymous as an example, I'm sorry unless that dude is some extreme genetic outlier there's no way in hell he got that huge without steroids. It is possible that he's an outlier who earned that physique after 20 odd years lifting, if I do recall correctly he said earlier in this very same thread that his dad is in his 60's and built like a tank.

There's so much variation within every race, so it's not the same for everyone, I went to high school with some dudes from Vietnam and Cambodia that were naturally buff as hell, but then again they were outside the norm compared to a lot of other guys from their ethic backgrounds.

A lot of Europeans have really good genetics for getting big, especially some western and northern Europeans, guys with Germanic, Dutch, and Nordic backgrounds can be huge.

Edit: P.S. I'm about to roll to the gym for a good couple hours, will be squatting, doing bench press, bent over rows, weighted chins/pull ups/dips, a couple sets of overhead press for good measure. All barbell and dumbbell, I do my own variation of 5 X 5 with isolations at the end of my work out, I'm no stranger to the gym. Going to wash it down with an all organic protein shake, then a high protein dinner, maybe some Carne Asada, pinto beans, and guacamole.

Post: #152

(11-11-2015 06:02 PM)britchard Wrote:  Moma I agree with everything you said, but do you admit that West Africans have the best genetics?

Then if you're non-West African, all the easier it is to have "Contrast Game" working in your favor.

I would agree that men of West African descent have higher genetically-imbued muscle masses and lower body-fat percentages, than, say, Chinese-descended men. However, to the extent that girls "grade" on a curve and/or "Contrast Game" exists, that also means that it's easier for a given Chinese man to stand out.

For a given level of jackedness, a jacked Chinese guy will turn more heads than a jacked West African guy via novelty. Just like having an investment banking job might moisten some panties if you're a West African guy, but You're Just Another Boring Dork if you're a Chinese guy.

Post: #153

OgNor, you will start to notice the changes after 2 years if you train properly whether you started as a scrawny 20 year old or not. Kabal is right, if most white, Asian, Indian guys look scrawny then if you happen to have a bit of muscle on you, you will stand out much more than the swollen West African since that is to be expected.

Anonymous Bosch and MikeCF do not have impossible physiques to acquire. They just have the look of guys who are serious about their shyt. You can get there with the modern supplementation available. BCAAs, protein, zinc and creatine with the right clothing and consistency will take you there.

Post: #154

(11-11-2015 06:02 PM)britchard Wrote:  Moma I agree with everything you said, but do you admit that West Africans have the best genetics?

Man, I never really thought about it. I see a lot of different cats in the gym with nice physiques and there are tons of shredded white guys out there. Even in the UK, I went to a white South African gym and I saw some stunning frames in there. However, by me admitting West African superiority in genetics, you will be trying to leverage that as an excuse not to work as hard and I won't give you that because I want you to succeed so by admission, no comment

Post: #155

The relationship between your confidence and your body can't be denied, and confidence is probably the most important thing when it comes to girls.

That being said, there's plenty of jacked simps, but if you're aware of what you need to do, exercise will help you get there

Post: #156

Was I the only one that had to search for the definition of panacea?

Post: #157

(11-11-2015 06:47 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Again you use Anonymous as an example, I'm sorry unless that dude is some extreme genetic outlier there's no way in hell he got that huge without steroids. It is possible that he's an outlier who earned that physique after 20 odd years lifting, if I do recall correctly he said earlier in this very same thread that his dad is in his 60's and built like a tank.

He isn't an outlier, his physique is achievable by any man with dedication and knowledge.

It's very similar with strength. Whenever I talk about achievable strength levels with non-powerlifters, they think we must be on steroids to reach them.

Most guys do not train hard and smart enough, and are nowhere near reaching their own genetic potentials. Usually it's the product of their gym environment, because they are around people who do not truly push themselves.

You are capable of much more than you think.

(11-11-2015 07:12 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Then if you're non-West African, all the easier it is to have "Contrast Game" working in your favor.

This is true. My physique stands out easily due to the contrast between myself and the majority of Asian guys out there who don't lift.

Post: #158

(11-11-2015 08:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Was I the only one that had to search for the definition of panacea?

I still don't know what supplicating is or what an SJW is.

Edit: No matter what the word supplicating really means, I think I will used it to refer to the act of sending female AirBandB hosts pictures of your bollocks, for example, Scotian was accused of supplicating.

Post: #159

Workout long enough, you will start to understand what works for you and what doesn't.

It is a healthy lifestyle, one that every guy on here should be into. I am in my 40's and too many of my peers have bad health problems, which could be diminished if they exercised.

Talking about genetics is excuse talk, I started out looking like a starving Ethiopian with a big belly.

As we say "fcuk genetics".

Post: #160

WestIndianArchie makes a good and seemingly straightforward, yet often unrecognized point: Lifting can make your posture (and body language) "Alpha," in and of itself.

Notice my usage of "can."

This is because sometimes novice to intermediate lifters are worse off posture and body language-wise than non-lifters or advanced lifters; that is, the relationship between lifting and body-language can be concave-up and parabolic.

Novice and intermediate lifters tend to have more developed chests and anterior deltoids than rear deltoids and mid-to-upper back--pulling everything forward, leading to a slouch--worse posture-wise than not lifting at all.

The "bench press" is a fixture in every man's lexicon--but is the "seated row"? I believe not. Compounding this phenomenon is the hypothesis that men spend more time looking at their physiques from the front than back, with unsurprising implications for their priorities.

(11-11-2015 12:38 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  I believe frame makes a big difference. Back in March of 2015 I went back to the gym 3 days a week in addition to running 5 or 6 days a week. Back then I was 220lbs and I'm 5'11". Today I'm 200lbs about 14% BF trying to adjust the diet to get that down to 11% or so. The work in the last 8 months has resulted in a more definitive presence where ever I go. Part of that has to do with how I look and also how I project, I just have more "swagger" now.

I'm on my phone so I'm lazy and not going to retrieve the quote, but I echo the poster who said it doesn't look like you lift.

It's okay; you can look great shirtless but still look "average" in clothes, like Daniel Craig in his first Bond movie. Shirtless in the beach scene: Sloots are crooning. In something as minimal as a white linen polo, he looks like your uncle hitting the driving range for the weekend.

I suspect this is a common thing--guys overestimate leanness versus sheer mass, and overrate shirtless versus "shirted" physique. Guys ogle themselves in the mirror a lot shirtless, but spend most of their time "shirted."

As a result, they want to look like Christian Bale in American Psycho, Brad Pitt in Fight Club, or SSJ Trunks; but might think Christian Bale in Batman Begins ("Fatman"), Brad Pitt in Troy, and USSJ Trunks are too bulky.

However, side by side, and especially in clothes--the former three will look like average men, small and scrawny compared to the latter three.

The accounts of AnonymousBosch and ballsyamog lend testimonies (anecdotal evidence) to this effect--girls love pure signs of strength, power, and dominance. Especially that of ballsyamog, who at 5'8" and 180 lbs (and presumably not an NFL-player or MMA-fighter), most guys would characterize as having a "bowling ball" physique. Yet girls seem to be loving his physique more than that of a leaner man.

Post: #161

(11-11-2015 06:43 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:21 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Strikeback - you can show your body, just hide your face.

I thought the issue was with posting pics of chicks.

That would defeat my point about facial transformation though.

OGNorCal707 Wrote:Guys like Virgil Kent are going to yoke out and get jacked naturally about 10 times more easily then say a Japanese or Indian guy with a skin and bones natural frame. (Sorry don't mean to pick on the Indians and Japanese, just for reference sake).

Admittedly the Asian guys I know in powerlifting are neither Japanese nor Indian, but there are a lot of us (myself included, I'm of SEA background) who started out very skinny / skinny-fat and end up jacked. I don't know how easy / hard it is for each of us to get there, but for me it took about 4-5 years and I started very late (26 y.o) compared to most of them. We are definitely not genetic outliers and we are drug-free lifters. I doubt it's any easier for white or black guys in general to get a respectable physique. They will still have to put in the work. Besides, I'd rather focus on maximizing my own genetic potentials than how easy they may have it.

OGNorCal707 Wrote:All I'm saying is that if you're not a genetic outlier and you don't want to use roids, be prepared to devote 1-2 hours, 4-6 days a week, for the next 5 years with dialed in diet, supplements, sleep, lifestyle, etc. to reach that mythical level of fitness that will get you easy pussy.

Actually that's exactly what I've been doing. You make it seem like some kind of insane devotion, 'no pain no gain' that you have to suffer in order to get what you want though. To me, it is heaps of fun! The difference might be due to me training purely for strength and athleticism and not aesthetics, but my physique does reflect my strength.

Most guys these days spend at least that much time on video games or TV shows, and often way more. I don't play video games and I hardly watch any TV show. Training IS my video game.

When did I ever say working hard in the gym is some kind of "insane devotion", I love how people take stuff I write out of context and misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm just stating facts on this thread, I tip my hat to you for putting in the hard work. I've been consistent 3 days a week for a little over a year now, before that I was on a 2 year streak before a LTR got me lazy, complacent, and out of the gym.

Post: #162

^^^
Unless you are already in great shape and have excellent dietary and sleep habits, three days a week isn't nearly enough. I can see someone arguing with me on that, but I don't see how it could work.

Post: #163

WestIndianArchie makes a good and seemingly straightforward, yet often unrecognized point: Lifting can make your posture (and body language) "Alpha," in and of itself.

(11-11-2015 10:23 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Notice my usage of "can."

This is because sometimes novice to intermediate lifters are worse off posture and body language-wise than non-lifters or advanced lifters; that is, the relationship between lifting and body-language can be concave-up and parabolic.

Novice and intermediate lifters tend to have more developed chests and anterior deltoids than rear deltoids and mid-to-upper back--pulling everything forward, leading to a slouch--worse posture-wise than not lifting at all.

The "bench press" is a fixture in every man's lexicon--but is the "seated row"? I believe not. Compounding this phenomenon is the hypothesis that men spend more time looking at their physiques from the front than back, with unsurprising implications for their priorities.

I don't see you mentioning anything about squats or dead lifts. Why is that?

(11-11-2015 10:23 PM)Kabal Wrote:  I'm on my phone so I'm lazy and not going to retrieve the quote, but I echo the poster who said it doesn't look like you lift.

What's your height and weight and where's your photos? I'm asking to get a frame of reference for your comments based on you. Same question for H1N1, where's your photos? Let's see your 10% BF.

Post: #164

(11-12-2015 12:14 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 10:23 PM)Kabal Wrote:  I'm on my phone so I'm lazy and not going to retrieve the quote, but I echo the poster who said it doesn't look like you lift.

What's your height and weight and where's your photos? I'm asking to get a frame of reference for your comments based on you. Same question for H1N1, where's your photos? Let's see your 10% BF.

Friendly piece of advice...this isn't the forum for calling out established, well repped members when you're a newb with a handful of posts and no reps.

Post: #165

(11-12-2015 12:06 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Unless you are already in great shape and have excellent dietary and sleep habits, three days a week isn't nearly enough. I can see someone arguing with me on that, but I don't see how it could work.

Depends on the length and intensity of workout I'd have thought.

I can't see why it wouldn't be enough if the above things are significant enough.

Post: #166

(11-12-2015 12:06 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Unless you are already in great shape and have excellent dietary and sleep habits, three days a week isn't nearly enough. I can see someone arguing with me on that, but I don't see how it could work.

I agree, but the thing is I'm not trying to look like Linux or Anonymous, while I will acknowledge that their physiques are really impressive, and I certainly wouldn't mind being that big, I have other hobbies that I also want to pursue in addition to weight lifting.

Right now my schedule is like this Mon, Weds, Fri, I spend about 2.5 hrs at they gym and do a variation of the 5X5 program with the main compound lifts then do 2 sets of isolations on all the major muscle groups afterwards. Tues, Thurs, Sat I do a Muay Thai class and sometimes Kung Fu as well since they are back to back and at the same location. On Sunday I either completely rest or go to the pool and swim about 10 laps, freestyle down, breast stroke back.

I realize that if I wanted to get diesel I'd have to amp up my lifting to 4-6 days a week, but that would be at the expensive of the Muay Thai, I don't have energy to do both, and one or the other would suffer if I tried.

I'm 5 ft 11 in. and currently 180 lbs, I was down to 172 and had more of a cut up MMA fighter look, I've been as high as 190 and looked big, but was carrying a bit more body fat. I'd love to be a lean muscular 200 one day, but I don't think that will happen, unless I really go hard and focus solely on lifting or dabble with some test.

Post: #167

(11-12-2015 12:23 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Friendly piece of advice...this isn't the forum for calling out established, well repped members when you're a newb with a handful of posts and no reps.

I'm not calling them out, I'm asking for a frame of reference.

Post: #168

(11-12-2015 12:06 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Unless you are already in great shape and have excellent dietary and sleep habits, three days a week isn't nearly enough. I can see someone arguing with me on that, but I don't see how it could work.

I agree, 3 days a week is a good starting point for a novice, but not enough to achieve anything worth writing home about.

OgNorCal, you talk about genetic outliers and PED users, when the training you do is barely minimal. On only 3 days a week, you would be right, it'd take a genetic freak or a heavy PED user to get a great physique. Perhaps guys visiting sites like these often get told to start on a 3 days a week routine at the beginning and believe that's all they ever need, thus having their expectations set all wrong. They want a professional athlete's physique, while doing about 1/4 or less of the training. Anyone who achieves more must be a genetic freak or use drugs. You may not mean it, but I gotta address that mentality, because I'm tired of hearing it.

I never consider myself hard working. I train so frequently because I love it!

Post: #169

My workouts are often 40-50 sets long.

One could easily get a good physique doing them 3 days per week.

Post: #170

BassPlayaYo:

Interesting how you perceive our comments to be personal insults and/or affronts. If anything, my remarks were expulcatory (i.e. favorable toward you)--that clothing can disguise otherwise great physiques.

You do realize that our/my physical appearance has no bearing on yours. If you really want to know, you can start PM'ing the members who have met us (you can get member names from our rep lists) to get an idea.

If you are usually this sensitive and insecure, and analytically deficient, hitting the gym is indeed perhaps not the lowest hanging fruit for you in terms of ROI.

Also, your quote tags are still awry as of now.

Post: #171

(11-12-2015 12:52 AM)Kabal Wrote:  BassPlayaYo:

Interesting how you perceive our comments to be personal insults and/or affronts. If anything, my remarks were expulcatory (i.e. favorable toward you)--that clothing can disguise otherwise great physiques.

You do realize that our/my physical appearance has no bearing on yours. If you really want to know, you can start PM'ing the members who have met us (you can get member names from our rep lists) to get an idea.

If you are usually this sensitive and insecure, and analytically deficient, hitting the gym is indeed perhaps not the lowest hanging fruit for you in terms of ROI.

Also, your quote tags are still awry as of now.

I don't perceive what anyone is saying as a personal insult. I'm just trying to get some clarity on what your frame of reference and perspective is. It could also mean, I don't know what you mean by "lift" or your definition of it is different than my own. Try looking at my question as asking for more information, not a challenge.

Post: #172

(11-12-2015 01:06 AM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 12:52 AM)Kabal Wrote:  BassPlayaYo:

Interesting how you perceive our comments to be personal insults and/or affronts. If anything, my remarks were expulcatory (i.e. favorable toward you)--that clothing can disguise otherwise great physiques.

You do realize that our/my physical appearance has no bearing on yours. If you really want to know, you can start PM'ing the members who have met us (you can get member names from our rep lists) to get an idea.

If you are usually this sensitive and insecure, and analytically deficient, hitting the gym is indeed perhaps not the lowest hanging fruit for you in terms of ROI.

Also, your quote tags are still awry as of now.

I don't perceive what anyone is saying as a personal insult. I'm just trying to get some clarity on what your frame of reference and perspective is. It could also mean, I don't know what you mean by "lift" or your definition of it is different than my own. Try looking at my question as asking for more information, not a challenge.

I respect the sentiment, and sympathise. There are plenty of times I've thought 'prove it motherfucker' in response to what others have posted on the internet. That said, if there is truth in what I have commented, then it should be capable of standing alone, and my personal stats should not have any meaningful influence on a broader truth.

I personally have a strict 'no photos on the internet' policy, as I feel it is always bad PERSEC, and can be a slippery slope. If that diminishes the value of what I post in your eyes, or indeed in the eyes of any member here, then I would understand, but it is a trade-off I am conscious of and content to accept.

Post: #173

OGNorCal707 Wrote:All I'm saying is that if you're not a genetic outlier and you don't want to use roids, be prepared to devote 1-2 hours, 4-6 days a week, for the next 5 years with dialed in diet, supplements, sleep, lifestyle, etc. to reach that mythical level of fitness that will get you easy pussy.

You make this sound impossibly hard by using negative language, but its actually not that much of a commitment. If I said to you you need to spend a few years doing:

- 1 hour of exercise a day 4 days a week
- Eating well and getting enough sleep
- Limiting alcohol to weekends

It sounds easy right? Because it is. Yet this would be enough to put any man in his 20s or older in the top 10% of his peer group physically. Blaming things on genetic outliers etc is just making excuses.

Post: #174

(11-12-2015 08:15 AM)zatara Wrote:  You make this sound impossibly hard by using negative language, but its actually not that much of a commitment. If I said to you you need to spend a few years doing:

- 1 hour of exercise a day 4 days a week
- Eating well and getting enough sleep
- Limiting alcohol to weekends

It sounds easy right? Because it is. Yet this would be enough to put any man in his 20s or older in the top 10% of his peer group physically. Blaming things on genetic outliers etc is just making excuses.

Well said - and if you really optimise it, you can get it in under 2hrs /week total workout time. Then all you gotta do is eat your meat and not be sleep deprived.

With 2hrs week total workout time, I can do 3-4 big compound lifts hitting all major muscle groups, 2 short intense interval training sessions, and squeeze in some vanity set for arms + side shoulders.

The weights make you big and strong, the HIIT makes you fit - fit enough to be a jackhammer in bed, at any rate.

The key is exercise selection, and timing when you eat your carbs.

Yet so few people even bother.

Post: #175

Richie P and Zatara- Hear, hear!!