Post: #26

Rooshv mentioned something about playing the angle of being a saviour type for these women in Ukraine that need an out for their survival but I have yet to see or hear any of this. I'm going to Odessa tomorrow and then Eastward. I have a feeling the closer I get the more likely these girls will want to be saved.

Post: #27

(03-15-2017 03:51 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Rooshv mentioned something about playing the angle of being a saviour type for these women in Ukraine that need an out for their survival but I have yet to see or hear any of this. I'm going to Odessa tomorrow and then Eastward. I have a feeling the closer I get the more likely these girls will want to be saved.

This seems cold-blooded even by my own low standards, but perhaps it's good practice for exploring some sort of Deep Red Pill journey.

Post: #28

(03-15-2017 03:56 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 03:51 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Rooshv mentioned something about playing the angle of being a saviour type for these women in Ukraine that need an out for their survival but I have yet to see or hear any of this. I'm going to Odessa tomorrow and then Eastward. I have a feeling the closer I get the more likely these girls will want to be saved.

This seems cold-blooded even by my own low standards, but perhaps it's good practice for exploring some sort of Deep Red Pill journey.

Its the game.

But i hope that guys that do this dont complain after a few years how girls have become hardened and jaded and how they cant find a girl to marry.

A girl who gets played repeatedly will lose her innocence.
Ive read posts by guys who string virgins along for monthes just to go lay her for a night. Then after a few posts theyre complaining about how theres no sweet good girls.

Man has to assume responsibility for the world he creates.

Im not better than any of them but i recognize that women get shaped by the experiences they have with men from their father to the men in their lives.

When i see that women are turning into entitled sluts i recognize that my behavior is also part of that.

Post: #29

(03-15-2017 02:24 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 02:13 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 02:01 PM)jc7000kk Wrote:  Some bad news on the Ukraine front, Ryanair will begin operating flights there

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/trans...-1.3011313

And with that it will become flooded with UK stag party groups, like you see in Prague and Budapest.

I doubt it. Unlike Hungary and Czech there is no EU money for Ukranians to put up with that shit. If they (british stags) behave the same they will get their ass beaten or worse. Ukraine is at war and in deep perpetual socio economical crisis, many people have nothing to loose if they beat up or scamm one of those suckers.

If one day they enter EU which I doubt, then yes, it will be hell unleashed on former pussy paradise.

It will mean a lot more British men will come to Ukraine and date the women. This is no small development.

Oh well, fuck it. Ukraine already has so many direct flights from middle eastern countries. It might as well be Brits that have direct access from now on. Better them than the slime-ball Turks that crowd every club and fill the streets bringing their weird attitudes and culture with them.

Brits will be stronger competition than most male tourists that currently come to the country. Say hello to a lot more London-style day gamers as well dudes with more cash to blow on sponsor girls.

BA has tons of flights already, like $100 round trip.

If Ryanair puts them at $70, I wonder if it will make that much of a difference.

Post: #30

Quote:Ive read posts by guys who string virgins along for monthes just to go lay her for a night. Then after a few posts theyre complaining about how theres no sweet good girls.

That's a bold claim. Show us the thread/posts where this has happened on the forum. I think you're making it up to white knight.

Post: #31

It's the same boogeyman claim as:

"Guys think when they get off the plane girls will be lining them up to give blowjobs"

Yeah, no one has ever said that.

It is some sort of retard version of virtue signaling guys love to do.

Post: #32

How is what i said white knighting or virtue signaling?

In my mind its actually the opposite. I view man as the leader in shaping society and relationships and pickup. Man acts and women reacts.

If a destination is swarmed by tourists, or daygamers, etc.... dont we all agree that the girls' behavior will change as a result?


You have an example in this thread. Burner says he wants to go east and play saviour type game on girls. And before he said girls were blowing him off for studies.
If he plays saviour type game on a girl, and after that leaves, is that girl gonna react the same when the next guy comes at her with this angle? Is she gonna leave her studies for that next guy? burner himself said they told him "he will leave them after"

I dont think you guys believe that a mans behavior has no consequences on a woman's.

I am not really sure what parts you guys disagree with.

Post: #33

Beirut, and the part where a woman behaviour has consequences on a man? I think most of the players are a product of stuff that women have done to them.

I stand in between. Paraphrasing a saying from my country "Neither so much to the sea nor so much to the land".

I can't hold responsability for girls poor life decisions, everyone is responsible for their own lives, and every woman was a virgin up to a certain point in her life. And definitely Ukraine or Poland are not countries where naivety and inoccence are the dish of the day.

Post: #34

(03-16-2017 01:52 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Beirut, and the part where a woman behaviour has consequences on a man? I think most of the players are a product of stuff that women have done to them.

I understand what you are saying and of course it exists, but I think that dynamic is and should be heavuly skewed towards men.

If it was equal, then masculinity does not exist as we perceive it.

I think players are a product of their own shortcomings more than what a woman does. They get played because they are not aware and dont embrace their masculine nature, and their failures lead them to re-discover their nature and how things should be.

This is the cornerstone of every pickup theory i've ever read.

Thats why rejections dont hurt a masculine man. Thats why he acts and doesnt react.

The man "mans up".

He gets punished for being against his nature and rewarded for embracing it.

When you punish a girl for embracing her feminine submissive nature with abandonment, you push her to abandon it.

Quote: And definitely Ukraine or Poland are not countries where naivety and inoccence are the dish of the day.

I was responding to a post about playing saviour type game on girls. Im sure you know the shrewd ukrainian types arent the ones who are gonna be falling for that.

Post: #35

While I was growing I was sold the lie that happiness was getting a good grade, then a good job, then a good girl and then a create a good family.

Then I got a good grade, it did not make me get a good job. Then I got a good job, it did not make me get a good girl... Then I understood all was wrong in this idea that was sold out to me. And then I became what I am nowadays, I am reasonably happy. I can not feel guilty for any woman broken dreams.

Post: #36

(03-16-2017 02:45 PM)Rocha Wrote:  While I was growing I was sold the lie that happiness was getting a good grade, then a good job, then a good girl and then a create a good family.

Then I got a good grade, it did not make me get a good job. Then I got a good job, it did not make me get a good girl... Then I understood all was wrong in this idea that was sold out to me. And then I became what I am nowadays, I am reasonably happy. I can not feel guilty for any woman broken dreams.

This is the big debate in the Moma Rudebwoy thread.

You summed it up perfectly.

Post: #37

Rocha, i am not saying you should feel guilty.
I already said i do the same thing that im talking about and that you are talking about.

I dont feel guilty nor should you. Its what we want to do and we are doing it.

However, if i meet a girl who had guys sell her dreams then disappear, am i gonna feel bitter towards her if now she puts her school over seeing me for a date? no, im not. I dont think you would either.

If i meet a girl who saw 5 foreigners who fucked her and left, am i gonna feel bitter that shes distrustful of foreignerS? no i wont.

If i meet a ukrainian girl who had 1000 arab or turkish guys behave like monkeys around her, am i gonna feel bitter towards her lumping me in with them? Itll annoy me but i wont feel the bitterness. Ill recognize that its a reaction to an action.


This is the point i was trying to make. Its not the behavior that im condemning, i already said i do it too.

Its the incongruence between the behavior and the world view that comes with it.

Post: #38

(03-16-2017 02:45 PM)Rocha Wrote:  While I was growing I was sold the lie that happiness was getting a good grade, then a good job, then a good girl and then a create a good family.

Then I got a good grade, it did not make me get a good job. Then I got a good job, it did not make me get a good girl... Then I understood all was wrong in this idea that was sold out to me. And then I became what I am nowadays, I am reasonably happy. I can not feel guilty for any woman broken dreams.

Sure and this is a fault of women? They are just overgrown kids who bleed from their hole once a month, don't give them that much credit. The world we were brought up to is men's creation.

If I start to go to church, play nice provider with bit of edge, get 18yo virgin from there, date her and bang her on some point, leaving her after that.

How would you think about this? It's a bit over the top example but it still gets the point across. She will never be the same if she gets played.

Not that I would care if you fuck her up, you could do any immoral or illegal shit to her and I would not care. I care just because it kills more prospects to marry.

Post: #39

(03-15-2017 02:44 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  After a quick Google search, Ukraine airlines already flies direct to Kiev from London. Around $100 one-way. Is another slightly cheaper airline flying to Kiev going to make all the difference for Brits flying to Ukraine? I doubt it.

They probably wont, they already have czech republic and some cities in the baltics for stag parties and greece and spain for summer holidays..

Post: #40

(03-15-2017 04:02 PM)Beirut Wrote:  A girl who gets played repeatedly will lose her innocence.

Man has to assume responsibility for the world he creates.

When i see that women are turning into entitled sluts i recognize that my behavior is also part of that.

(03-16-2017 03:42 PM)Uruz Wrote:  She will never be the same if she gets played.

I care just because it kills more prospects to marry.

I think both Beirut and Uruz have strong points to make. These perspectives definitely got me thinking.

Also, to be a contrarian, I will ask - well, which came first - the chicken or the egg? The women and society with militant anti-feminine feminism or us men with neomasculinity and game?

I think it's clear that radical anti-feminine feminism came first..... and it is the direct cause for neomasculinity. Our movement is a direct symptom of the environment in the west. Roosh has said many times that water takes the shape of the container it fills... which leads me into the next point which is that there's a larger and ever increasing sub-culture of men such as us who have advanced game and there's an increase in competition amongst men which is higher than ever before in human history of the sexual market place. Because of the internet and capitalistic growth, we possess knowledge and game to such a point that we must be very careful in breaking hearts, otherwise we may ruin the virtuous girls forever...

In the past these virtuous girls were staying virtuous for much longer, sometimes until marriage, but nowadays in this globalised world there's a guy with advanced game in close proximity, but we often have itchy feet.

Post: #41

@Jungle

Sure man, but what is neo-masculinity? That's just default state, most of the things we teach each other should have been passed down from father to son, not by women and feminism for sure has not been invented in Poland or Ukraine.

By all means, if she is slut, do whatever you wish to do with her, for me, she is just a bag of meat with no other use than to get my balls dry.

Women are the perfect example of a breed that takes shape by it's container and that's fine, but we should be the ones creating the container and at the end, some men are creating it and obviously with different intentions.
You will have a family and a dog, after few years, something switches in the dogs brain and he starts to behave in a manner that is or might endanger your family, what will you do? You will take the dog in the woods behind your property and shoot him in the head. But at the end of the day, will you be angry at the dog that he was behaving just like a stupid dog? Or maybe it might be someones elses fault that the dog was not trained enough to obey?

One of the best things that I heard Roosh say was I think in that Women and education video. If men decide to strip them of all of their rights, what will they do, raise an army and perform feminist coup? Nah, they are just stupid women. It's always a men that created them in the way they are, whatever way they currently are.

Post: #42

(03-16-2017 03:42 PM)Uruz Wrote:  If I start to go to church, play nice provider with bit of edge, get 18yo virgin from there, date her and bang her on some point, leaving her after that.

How would you think about this? It's a bit over the top example but it still gets the point across. She will never be the same if she gets played.

Not that I would care if you fuck her up, you could do any immoral or illegal shit to her and I would not care. I care just because it kills more prospects to marry.

Exactly. Sluts and good girls should be treated differently. Once you take a good girl's virginity then her marriage value decreases significantly. So you shouldn't do it unless you are serious about her.

Post: #43

(03-16-2017 03:42 PM)Uruz Wrote:  If I start to go to church, play nice provider with bit of edge, get 18yo virgin from there, date her and bang her on some point, leaving her after that.

How would you think about this? It's a bit over the top example but it still gets the point across. She will never be the same if she gets played.

No one here is advising that. Besides, every slut used to be a virgin. Just because you take away a girl's virginity doesn't mean you ruined a girl, especially if she didn't state her intentions of marriage and family. I've been used by virgins as a stepping stone to hop onto the slut carousel. They didn't want a relationship or commitment.

Post: #44

It is definitely a very enjoyable podcast; good stuff Roosh and Kyle. One thing I would like to add is that the majority of Polish girls aren't able to correctly assess the value of a man, whilst for Ukrainian girls look, game, status, wealth...definitely matter.
Hence for the average Joe or Antonio Poland might better than Ukraine, starting from the point that nowadays you should avoid like the plague second tier cities like Krakow or Wroclaw, literally played out. Today is in my opinion easier to be successful in getting laid in Barcelona or London that have a surplus of girls also from abroad, compared with Wroclaw and Krakow where there is instead a massive invasion of sex tourists from the West and girls have a terrible attitude for foreigners. Like Roosh mentioned, few years ago was different, Polish girls did care about you and did want a relationship, now they easily disappear after a date or even after sex. Gaming in Poland is usually like playing a Russian roulette, you can have a terrible game and getting laid, you could be super efficient and ending up empty hands. Very frustrating for players.
Ukraine is for real professional instead, I spent there a few weeks last year and I can clearly see the difference with Poland. You need serious skills to be successful there.

Post: #45

Usually you can sense if the girl is like that and the transformation from a good girl to slut has it's signs and change in mentality so the hymen is not the only characteristic of "good girl".

My point was not exclusively about virgins or taking virginity it was more like - If you are with a good girl and you decide to play some shit on her like you would on a slut, it will damage her.

Post: #46

(03-17-2017 11:19 AM)Uruz Wrote:  Usually you can sense if the girl is like that and the transformation from a good girl to slut has it's signs and change in mentality so the hymen is not the only characteristic of "good girl".

My point was not exclusively about virgins or taking virginity it was more like - If you are with a good girl and you decide to play some shit on her like you would on a slut, it will damage her.

Don't they always play game with guys? Concept of "good girl"...good girls exist only in the fairy-tales, and definitely not in Poland or Ukraine.

Post: #47

Yea, I don't really use term "good girl" in real life. Not used, or not so used birth machine might be more to your liking.

Post: #48

For the most part, unless you speak the local language and/or run social circle game you're going to keep meeting girls that are like what Roosh describes - westernized sluts that praise the "Sex and the city" lifestyle. I spent a good part of last summer in a 3rd tier polish city (around 300K people) and I was able to meet a sweet traditional girl who was definitely relationship material. She was feminine, would cook for me and even invited me to her cousin's wedding where she introduced me to her family and friends. The only downside is that I could not get the bang (eventhough I tried) and I would not be surprised if she was a virgin. This girl spoke almost no English and had only been abroad a couple of times in her life. I actually had a similar experience in Krakow, where I fucked up but that's another story... Point being these kind of girls are not as hard to find in Poland as most guys might think, but they do require a good knowledge of Polish or at least having local friends that can introduce you to them. Without this, you'll be slightly biased towards meeting foreign groupies and other girls riding the carousel.

When it comes to taking a Ukrainian girl to Poland, I'd say this is a rather safe move. Surprisingly, Ukrainians and Poles tend to keep to themselves and many Poles actually look down on their eastern neighbours. I met quite a few Ukrainian girls in Kraków and not a single one had close friends who were Polish. There's so many of them that they just form their own communities sort to speak and as such I don't think they would get westernized as easily.

Post: #49

(03-17-2017 01:31 PM)Gopnik Wrote:  For the most part, unless you speak the local language and/or run social circle game you're going to keep meeting girls that are like what Roosh describes - westernized sluts that praise the "Sex and the city" lifestyle. I spent a good part of last summer in a 3rd tier polish city (around 300K people) and I was able to meet a sweet traditional girl who was definitely relationship material. She was feminine, would cook for me and even invited me to her cousin's wedding where she introduced me to her family and friends. The only downside is that I could not get the bang (eventhough I tried) and I would not be surprised if she was a virgin. This girl spoke almost no English and had only been abroad a couple of times in her life. I actually had a similar experience in Krakow, where I fucked up but that's another story... Point being these kind of girls are not as hard to find in Poland as most guys might think, but they do require a good knowledge of Polish or at least having local friends that can introduce you to them. Without this, you'll be slightly biased towards meeting foreign groupies and other girls riding the carousel.

When it comes to taking a Ukrainian girl to Poland, I'd say this is a rather safe move. Surprisingly, Ukrainians and Poles tend to keep to themselves and many Poles actually look down on their eastern neighbours. I met quite a few Ukrainian girls in Kraków and not a single one had close friends who were Polish. There's so many of them that they just form their own communities sort to speak and as such I don't think they would get westernized as easily.

A lot of truth in this, even if you daygame in the cities you will find some village girls that come into the city to find work. My girlfriend is one and I have nothing but good things to say about her, without some working Polish id be lost though, also helps ease things with meeting family, parents, friends etc...

You can bring a Ukrainian here, but duno how you would go about getting legal status, I always planned on just marrying into citizenship if Brexit triggers any weird immigration changes. When Ukrainians come here they usually have to either try prove an ancestor was Polish, obtain a work permit, marry, get a temporary residency card (can be obtained via stuff like attending university) get refugee status or some other loophole like that. It's actually quite challenging for them to stay here long term legally. This in addition to whatever your own personal circumstances are, lot of hassle to be had.

Post: #50

Quote:Point being these kind of girls are not as hard to find in Poland as most guys might think, but they do require a good knowledge of Polish or at least having local friends that can introduce you to them. Without this, you'll be slightly biased towards meeting foreign groupies and other girls riding the carousel.

Only issue with what you describe (going 3rd tier, learning the language) is that if I'm going to put that amount of work, why not Ukraine instead? The value proposition for Poland is that it's not "hard", so making it hard by having to do heavy lifting to meet a "good girl" means that it will be less of a favorable option.