Post: #1

I'm getting back into the game after about a decade out of it. I never got very far when I was into it the first time, just got a gf and left it there. That was in Denver, where they had a lair and wings to go out with.

Now I live in Reno and I'm not finding anything about a lair here, or wings or nothing, and I have no one to go out with. Any ideas where I should look?

Post: #2

(05-12-2018 05:24 PM)Dillinger Wrote:  I'm getting back into the game after about a decade out of it. I never got very far when I was into it the first time, just got a gf and left it there. That was in Denver, where they had a lair and wings to go out with.

Now I live in Reno and I'm not finding anything about a lair here, or wings or nothing, and I have no one to go out with. Any ideas where I should look?

fuck wingmen.

hit the gym

lift weights

stop masturbating

stop watching porn

eat right

get your body to "Swolestation" status

Read bang and Day bang

go out and talk to women, who gives a shit if you fail, they`re only girls! Your parents and grandparents had to fight through bombs and gunfire, girls aint shit.

You dont need a wing, you need to get out there and make the world your bitch.

Post: #3

delete...on account of Positivity and shit

Post: #4

(05-12-2018 05:33 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  fuck wingmen.

hit the gym

lift weights

stop masturbating

stop watching porn

eat right

get your body to "Swolestation" status

Read bang and Day bang

go out and talk to women, who gives a shit if you fail, they`re only girls! Your parents and grandparents had to fight through bombs and gunfire, girls aint shit.

You dont need a wing, you need to get out there and make the world your bitch.

I already do the gym 4x/week. Squat 245, Deadlift 250, Curl 5x10x55, etc. I'm already on dat nofap time. My physique, height and looks aren't an issue. My previous life as an awkward AFC introvert prior to hitting the gym a year ago is. If anything, I have next to no social life other than the gym, even though I'm no longer awkward or introverted. Just haven't figured out how to transition out of that role, or know anyone to go out and make that transition with.

Is it really even doable for a relative newb to hit the bars and clubs by himself? Don't they look at you different if you don't have any friends with you?

Post: #5

If you need a wingman, then you've got no game. Game is internal. It depends on no external body.

Post: #6

Read Bang

Commit to 100 approaches

There are no shortcuts (at anything in life worth doing)

You wnat to get laid or you want to hang out with a buddy? Wingman is 99.9% an emotional crutch at best and a cockblock liability the rest of the time.

If you cant handle 2 pieces (you and a girl) on the game board what makes you think you can handle more?

Winging is best left to two advanced players that know the drill

Post: #7

I usually don't like the idea of disagreeing with senior members but having a wingman and crew to go out with helps your game on so many levels, not just inner game but perception as women are less likely to see you as weird for being out by yourself. From my own experience, my results went through the roof after going out to bars with a couple of guys that were naturals. In fact, I would not be where I am today in the game had I gone out by myself.

Even when the night went to shit and neither of us got anywhere, we at least had a great story to laugh over a couple of drinks with. Now I am in the US so maybe in Europe people are more okay with you going out alone but here in America, there is definitely negative status associated with it.

Now as for how to find wingmen, there are many ways you can go about this, I lucked into having two amazing roommates who were socially well connected but other things I have found work are:

1. Get involved in any social activity and get to know some of the guys there that are single. You might have to rely on gut instinct here but if it is a guy who is okay with drinking and one you can have conversations regarding what girls you find hot, tell him you should hang out and check out a local bar at night. Be careful though especially in these times, you don't want the self-righteous liberal douche to end up finding out you "objectify women" so definitely get to know the person. Outside of married guys and the morally self-righteous, most guys will admire someone who has the balls to go up to random women and approach them.

2. If number 1 is out of the question and you do have to go out alone, find a guy that seems to be in the same situation as you and is looking around for pussy, tell him that you find a couple of girls hot and you need a wingman. I have been surprised the couple of times I have tried this and it has worked, one time it landed me an awesome friend. Kind of risky though because some guys will just be douchebags and tell you to fuck off.

3. Just be social and hang around a crowd around your age, way easier to do this in your 20s. Play the long game and find out the guys who you click with and have somewhat of the same goals as you, then go approach random women. I always try to hint at girls I find hot in a bar, if a guy tells me "go talk to her then bro", then he is someone that might be open to being a wingman.

I know it is not the easiest thing to do though because of the society we live in, so many men are pussy whipped and made to feel guilty for wanting to get laid. From my experience, the best wingmen I have had were former fraternity guys and former military guys.

Post: #8

^ Ultimately do what works for you.

That said my response was predicated on the assumption that OP wants to get laid. I also assumed that he wants to accomplish that as effectively as possible.

There are many variables that can affect your results right? The Game section is littered with threads on

Logistics
Looks
Texting
Talking
Approaching
Etc
Etc

So what success rate of actually pulling and banging do you end up having when you go out with your boys? 9 out of 10 times? Not likely... right? ...5 out 10? ...1 out of 10?

Too many moving parts. Too many things that can go wrong. Too many random variables. Somebody says the wrong thing...deal blown. Girl is feeling you but her friend aint feeling your buddy...deal blown.

You want to increase your odds? KISS: It applies to almost everything in life

Keep
It
Simple,
Stupid

KISS

For me the most effective "system" is always the simplest

1. Have 2-3 local bars (lounge type not clubs) on lock down. And by local I mean within walking distance of your place. By lockdown I mean you the bartender* (at least) and staff know each other by name
2. Know your "niche". Pre screening for type of girl that responds to your style of game is huge. (Make sure that type frequents bar in step 1) One size doesn't fit all unless youre Ryan Gosling et al.

* A good bartender can be the best wingman you ever have

If the goal is have fun in case you strike out then sure...Im all about fun with friends too

But for someone just starting out in game Id recommend taking the floaties off and jump in the deep end

But thats just me

Post: #9

(05-12-2018 06:00 PM)Dillinger Wrote:  Is it really even doable for a relative newb to hit the bars and clubs by himself? Don't >>>they<<< look at you different if you don't have any friends with you?

Perhaps you should ask "them" if they look differently at you...

hint: There's your opener. Have an explanation, preferably one that raises your status in the moment and transition to other chit chat asap.

If I were to weigh up success from lone wolfing vs fails from being cock blocked by friends ("wingmen") the scale would tilt *heavily* towards more success going solo.

Papaya Tapper is 100% right about wingmen being a liability UNLESS they're more experienced than you and are aware of themselves if they get cockblocky...

Post: #10

HANG ON. We're not really answering the topic here, just giving advice against using wing men.

OP wants to find wing men because he has reasons for wanting wing men. That's fine, he's at a point where he wants a wing man to boost confidence, have someone "known" to talk with in order to calm the nerves and have someone to "compete" with and show off in front of and vice versa for that hit of courage. All fair reasons at a certain point...

Post: #11

from what i've learned on here, finding a wingman is the same as networking and finding a suitable business partner. The best way is to genuinely charm them and add something of value to their life.

An example is to go to the gym, see a guy who might be good with women maybe he flirts with women all over, or maybe he's just high energy and talks to everybody. Befriend him, Best way i learned to do this is to be exceptional at something. Personally, I'm a great basketball player and for my size, I'm pretty athletic and strong. If you can add value to a person's life whether that's physical value or adding knowledge, you can easily start a conversation with them.

Now You have to lay on the charm and get them to like you. After they like you, you simply ask if they want to hang out sometime. Show a little vulnerability but DON'T be a bitch. Most guys including myself love to take people under our wings and mentor them. The problem with this, however, is the fact that you need a certain amount of charisma and game in order to even convince a person to be your wingman.

Personally, I agree with the people above. Wingmen are a waste of time, 1. because the women will be more attracted to the wingman than you. 2. because it hinders and slows your progression and you become dependent.

but I digress all you have to do is find a guy around your age with common interests, Befriend him, hang out with him in places where girls are available. and there you go.

Post: #12

If you're afraid to go out solo get a dog.
A dog is a better wingman (and pussy magnet) than 90% of dudes: doesn't steal your girl, keeps the obstacle occupied (even if she's a fatty), shows respect and does what you say. Sorry but that's the reality, most guys will not help you get laid, on the contrary you will waste time on chit chat and following people around with no clear purpose.
Don't get me wrong, having a bunch of friends to hit some bars and have fun is good and all but don't rely on them if your objective is to approach women. I recommend going out solo for that. At the beginning you may need a few shots to lose your inhibitions and build up some courage.

Post: #13

But how can he kill the time between the sets ?

Post: #14

I actually believe that there are immense benefits to having a wingman but this is just the US itself. At one point I used to be that guy going out to a couple of bars by himself and I found that most of the times, if it is a bar girls gather at, bartenders will rarely remember you all that much. Most bartenders are there to make money and actually mack on women themselves if you're going to bars where a lot of the better looking women gather.

From what I have found, there is definitely a big negative stigma to going out all by yourself. Some guys who are naturals can pull it off, it can be done, but for beginner and intermediate level guys there are countless benefits to going out with a wingman.

One good thing I have found is that you put pussy on the pedestal a lot less and aren't basing your entire night on whether or not you get laid that night. Your mindset is more towards just having fun and women tend to gravitate towards that.

I will clarify, this is an American thing and it could be different in other countries where going out by yourself is more acceptable.

Post: #15

Befriend party girls and make them assist you meeting up new girls

Post: #16

For guys wings: go to social meetups and talk up the most alpha/jacket looking guy in there and just roll with him. Usually they know game

Post: #17

Since you're in America...if you're big on phone apps. Download the meetup app. How it works is, when u sign up, u pick all ur interests within an area and the app makes a calendar and sends emails about events in your area that match what u selected. Unsure if you're in a small town or big city but if it's a bigger locale...if could help in meeting like minded people.

I'm on the fence as it relates to the pros & cons of wingmen. Good ones are priceless...Bad ones are frustrating. If wingmen add positively to your experience...take advantage of your existing social activities and use them to meet like minded men.

Post: #18

(05-15-2018 03:50 PM)IAmAlpha504 Wrote:  Since you're in America...if you're big on phone apps. Download the meetup app. How it works is, when u sign up, u pick all ur interests within an area and the app makes a calendar and sends emails about events in your area that match what u selected. Unsure if you're in a small town or big city but if it's a bigger locale...if could help in meeting like minded people.

I'm on the fence as it relates to the pros & cons of wingmen. Good ones are priceless...Bad ones are frustrating. If wingmen add positively to your experience...take advantage of your existing social activities and use them to meet like minded men.

I second this. Meetup app is really good. Pick the "social meetups" specifically, there is where you'll find guys who are have somewhat of a social vibe. You don't go to an anime meetup and expect to find solid guys in there

Post: #19

(05-13-2018 05:54 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  HANG ON. We're not really answering the topic here, just giving advice against using wing men.

OP wants to find wing men because he has reasons for wanting wing men. That's fine, he's at a point where he wants a wing man to boost confidence, have someone "known" to talk with in order to calm the nerves and have someone to "compete" with and show off in front of and vice versa for that hit of courage. All fair reasons at a certain point...

Basically this. Plus, there's another element:

I'm really tall. Intimidatingly tall. 6'7. And buff. I tend to intimidate people, especially women, and even more so the short women that I like, without intending to (or even being aware of it). I'm thinking having a wing would go some way to making me a little less physically overwhelming to women, but not sure.

Post: #20

(05-13-2018 11:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  From what I have found, there is definitely a big negative stigma to going out all by yourself. Some guys who are naturals can pull it off, it can be done, but for beginner and intermediate level guys there are countless benefits to going out with a wingman.

Yep. No doubt it's because I never did the bar scene much, but I get self-conscious about walking into one by myself, like I must be the only there without a friend or something.

Post: #21

(05-16-2018 07:16 PM)Dillinger Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 05:54 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  HANG ON. We're not really answering the topic here, just giving advice against using wing men.

OP wants to find wing men because he has reasons for wanting wing men. That's fine, he's at a point where he wants a wing man to boost confidence, have someone "known" to talk with in order to calm the nerves and have someone to "compete" with and show off in front of and vice versa for that hit of courage. All fair reasons at a certain point...

Basically this. Plus, there's another element:

I'm really tall. Intimidatingly tall. 6'7. And buff. I tend to intimidate people, especially women, and even more so the short women that I like, without intending to (or even being aware of it). I'm thinking having a wing would go some way to making me a little less physically overwhelming to women, but not sure.

Dang. You're an NBA player bro. I guess ideally a wing should be able to have a similar fashion, style and class as you are. But you can just roll with anyone whose Alpha game enough.

Post: #22

(05-16-2018 07:16 PM)Dillinger Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 05:54 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  HANG ON. We're not really answering the topic here, just giving advice against using wing men.

OP wants to find wing men because he has reasons for wanting wing men. That's fine, he's at a point where he wants a wing man to boost confidence, have someone "known" to talk with in order to calm the nerves and have someone to "compete" with and show off in front of and vice versa for that hit of courage. All fair reasons at a certain point...

Basically this. Plus, there's another element:

I'm really tall. Intimidatingly tall. 6'7. And buff. I tend to intimidate people, especially women, and even more so the short women that I like, without intending to (or even being aware of it). I'm thinking having a wing would go some way to making me a little less physically overwhelming to women, but not sure.

Hey man, I'm in the same boat as you. I'm 6'6 and weigh 275lbs. Being the "cocky" guy doesn't work out since women are intimidated by our statures. Soft approaches work best for us.

If I'm at the bar, I usually bend over and rest my weight on the counter. My thing is placing myself next to a girl who is trying to order a drink.

"I bet you I'll get my drink before you do" or "I bet you the next drink I get mine before you."

If she is responsive, she will laugh it off and maybe take the bet. I'll then stand up straight so she sees how tall I am. Most of the time, she will have the "oh damn" reaction, and then talk to her until one of us is served.

Doesn't matter who wins. It helps get the conversation started and see what she's up to for the evening.

Conversations sometimes die, other times she wants to keep talking to you or introduce you to her friends.

Either way, this opener works for me. Try it and see if you have any results.