Post: #1

I've realized all these are tied together and they make it way harder to deal with/game women.

As an example, there's a Russian woman I've been pipelining for my upcoming trip. A way I've been screening is to say there's a certain household task I expect my gf/wife to do ( what it is is not that important: it's a shit test to screen out non-submissive women.)

She writes back challenging me asking if I believe in "equality". Of course, the situation is she's contracted the Feminizivirus: the belief she deserves everything for nothing.

I'm supposed to come over there with Western money and support her-- but we split the chores equally. Sound familiar, American boys?

But this is just an example of women's irrationality and inability to assess fairness. The general tendency is what's really interesting. I've noticed women almost NEVER sincerely apologize-- they NEVER realize they've done anything wrong. if they FELT like doing something at a certain time, that is moral justification to them. they sometimes apologize, but it's almost always after YOU apologize, then they agree, and say "Oh I shouldn't have gotten mad either. " But they never have that kind of insight a guy does, like " I was over the line there, sorry. "

I guess they're too vain.

At this point I believe there's no way to directly debate the point-- as my father said "never argue with a woman."
He meant it in a strategic retreat sense: humor them, agree with what they say, and then go ahead and do whatever you want. It worked pretty well with my mother.

I think the trick is to simply say "My position is X, it's not changing." and then simply accept her actions if she toes the line or split if she doesn't. But I'm sure some of you more natural alphas have ideas on this.

Post: #2

agree to some extent, not all women are exactly the same in their problem solving skills though

Women tend to think and solve "emotionally" while men tend to solve issues logistically.

Sounds like you need to dump ms russia and start looking for another. I think she'd be carrying around ur balls in her purse in no time

Post: #3

Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

Post: #4

(11-23-2011 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

Yes, well put. What I was complaining about can be turned to an advantage-- I forgot who said "agree and amplify."

Don't bother to argue, just do something to distract her like one does with a child. Usually, that works with women, unless they are already angry then they just continue churning--often over imaginary problems, like you don't "respect" them.

I think i just have to force my self to keep in mind that "nexting" must always be an option as above poster said.

Post: #5

(11-23-2011 09:35 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I think i just have to force my self to keep in mind that "nexting" must always be an option as above poster said.

Guys on this forum have extreme success because women can sense this "I truly don't care if you stay or go" attitiude. Combined w/ the right game this is absolutely the recipe for a winning rotation. If you're afaid to lose her after a short amount of time you may want to reassess your stand on game

Post: #6

You have to interview for a wife the same way you'd interview someone for a job. Skill set, proper attitude, motivation, loyalty to the company, good references ...etc.

Women are paycheck players. They live day to day. They would like to think of themselves as equal partners in your "company" but really they are salaried employees at most. You're still the boss and control the money. Or at least that is the plan.

Post: #7

It's an indication of poor character and that she's not submissive, but nothing conclusive. What are her other indicators?

Mostly women act like that because they've gotten away with it in the past. They have never encountered a reason to behave otherwise, because guys have accepted it. If she's very attracted to you and you lay down the law, she'll buy into that frame and submit.

This is assuming she's of good character in the first place.

Post: #8

(11-23-2011 02:10 PM)Caligula Wrote:  It's an indication of poor character and that she's not submissive, but nothing conclusive. What are her other indicators?

I respect your being objective and fair, it's helping me think more clearly.

There are other indicators that make her look like poor LTR ( what I'm looking for; I'm interested in your opinions. )

1) She does modeling, which is fine, she's 5'9" 120 very elegantly proportioned by my standards. BUT-- she said she wants to be "a star."
I know there's always translation problems, but to me this just points to really wanting a lot of superficial attention.

2) In her initial ad she described how her mom cooks and her dad washes the dishes, and that's the type of thing she wants. ( My fault by being blinded by runway model looks after reading that. )

I think: why bother with someone who looks like they're really going to be alert all the time about what "deal" they're getting, when they really want to be cavorting and being stylish-- not taking care of our home. She's gotten a taste of massive attention being at photo shoots and so forth-- and I think she's spoiled. Doubtful there's any going back.

Post: #9

(11-24-2011 10:59 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 02:10 PM)Caligula Wrote:  It's an indication of poor character and that she's not submissive, but nothing conclusive. What are her other indicators?

I respect your being objective and fair, it's helping me think more clearly.

There are other indicators that make her look like poor LTR ( what I'm looking for; I'm interested in your opinions. )

1) She does modeling, which is fine, she's 5'9" 120 very elegantly proportioned by my standards. BUT-- she said she wants to be "a star."
I know there's always translation problems, but to me this just points to really wanting a lot of superficial attention.

2) In her initial ad she described how her mom cooks and her dad washes the dishes, and that's the type of thing she wants. ( My fault by being blinded by runway model looks after reading that. )

I think: why bother with someone who looks like they're really going to be alert all the time about what "deal" they're getting, when they really want to be cavorting and being stylish-- not taking care of our home. She's gotten a taste of massive attention being at photo shoots and so forth-- and I think she's spoiled. Doubtful there's any going back.

Sounds like you've reached a conclusion, probably the right one. You're looking for something stable and long-term. The modelling, wanting to be a "star" and the tit-for-tat mentality are all red flags in that respect.

If she's hot why not slam her once and disappear?

Post: #10

(11-23-2011 12:11 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  At this point I believe there's no way to directly debate the point-- as my father said "never argue with a woman."
He meant it in a strategic retreat sense: humor them, agree with what they say, and then go ahead and do whatever you want. It worked pretty well with my mother.

that's very true. in order to come to some conclusions both parts have to be able to metally comprehend other person reasons and focused on the point of discussion. women can't really do that. there's no point in arguing with them. there's no point in rationally proving she's wrong just out of your pride (like "she's wrong! and i will show her who's right.."). it's lose/lose

i've learned that it's best to just treat them like unaware little girls who live in their own fantasy world that they are and to keep them in their little bubble. literally not giving a fuck about "enlightening" them (it stems from approval seeking aka conveying value mindset). so in reality it looks like a girl is telling me something i know it's bullshit and i just go "oh yeah.. maybe" and i do my thing ignoring it completely. i got ovet this "i'm right and i will prove it" mindset.

my good buddy does that too. it's funny to watch how he handles some situation resisting the temptation to prove his GF he's right when i know he IS right. in that moment she literally becomes 10 year old brat again : ))

(11-23-2011 12:11 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I think the trick is to simply say "My position is X, it's not changing." and then simply accept her actions if she toes the line or split if she doesn't. But I'm sure some of you more natural alphas have ideas on this.

my cousin is like that with his GF and it works amazing. he stubborn fucker, he has his diet so he eats very specific meals and specific hours, he doesn't drink, he got his workout, he got his habits and this is not about to change. she can adapt or leave. that's his standpoint. everytime she shittest him about it she get ignored or get really dominated later in the bed where he's treating her like a little bitch

Post: #11

(11-23-2011 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

(11-23-2011 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

(11-23-2011 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

(11-23-2011 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Like the poster above mentions, don't bother with logic. Change her mood and you've changed her mind.

^^
This is so applicable to so many situations, not just when you've got a mad bitch on your hands. Never seen the concept phrased so well.