Post: #51

MikeCF you been over 100 street fights in the streets? You must start trouble over nothing if you have been over so many fights in the streets.

Post: #52

I thought the first video was good because of how well he managed the space around him. He constantly moved so that he never got encircled and was only facing one opponent at a time.
In your video, look how defensive the "aggressors" are. The boyfriend left his head wide open for a shot from the friend in his first attempt.

Most martial arts are going to have the same basic components and the main difference: a distance strike, an up close strike, grappling, how to take a hit without to much damage, timing, controlling the tempo/pace of the fight, managing space, endgame/knock out plan/strategy and breathing. Can anyone else think of other components one needs to have? I am trying to get away from the MMA/BJJ vs. whatever other style debate and into a more productive conversation since there will always be a difference in preference based on past experience, different ideologies etc...

To me what is going to be most important is the quality of your instruction. So figure out which teachers are good and go to the best teacher or most conducive learning environment and take what you can learn from that. Then pick a different style if not completely satisfied and start learning that.

Post: #53

Here's a series of training videos by Freddie Roach,legendary boxing trainer,if you want to learn some boxing moves and techniques.:

Post: #54

(11-27-2011 09:34 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  Here's a series of training videos by Freddie Roach,legendary boxing trainer,if you want to learn some boxing moves and techniques.:

FYI - the stance and footwork in Krav Maga is exactly what this guy is teaching to the letter.

Post: #55

(11-27-2011 03:51 AM)pitt Wrote:  MikeCF you been over 100 street fights in the streets? You must start trouble over nothing if you have been over so many fights in the streets.

Not everyone had the benefit of growing up in a nice suburban neighborhood.

Post: #56

(11-28-2011 02:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Not everyone had the benefit of growing up in a nice suburban neighborhood.

Okay, I assume you won most if not all of these 100+ street fights. I've found that once your rep of whupping azz is established, you don't need to get into so many fights.
It's a bit like earning your stripes.

Getting into over 100 street fights seems excessive to me also. Are you a small looking dude or are certain neighbourhoods in America (if you reside there) just congruous with constant street fights?

Post: #57

(11-28-2011 02:33 PM)Moma Wrote:  Getting into over 100 street fights seems excessive to me also. Are you a small looking dude or are certain neighbourhoods in America (if you reside there) just congruous with constant street fights?

Fighting in poor, white, rural areas was common - at least when I came of age.

Biggest risk was someone jumping in. You could usually keep it fair. People didn't curb stomp once the guy hit the ground. You'd get an ass beating, for sure, but it wasn't like what you see in World Star Hip Hop.

In an inner city, there are guns, knives, and "wolf packing."

So while my # is high, there were guys with higher numbers.

Post: #58

(11-28-2011 02:45 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-28-2011 02:33 PM)Moma Wrote:  Getting into over 100 street fights seems excessive to me also. Are you a small looking dude or are certain neighbourhoods in America (if you reside there) just congruous with constant street fights?

Fighting in poor, white, rural areas was common - at least when I came of age.

Biggest risk was someone jumping in. You could usually keep it fair. People didn't curb stomp once the guy hit the ground. You'd get an ass beating, for sure, but it wasn't like what you see in World Star Hip Hop.

In an inner city, there are guns, knives, and "wolf packing."

So while my # is high, there were guys with higher numbers.

Were there any guys with much lower numbers and if so, why?

Post: #59

(11-28-2011 02:46 PM)Moma Wrote:  Were there any guys with much lower numbers and if so, why?

Yes. More people are interested in talking shit than fighting. My numbers were probably in the top 10%.

I was a poor kid, but for whatever reason, was an outcast among the poors. Thus, I fought the other poor kids. (Rich kids didn't fight.)

Older poor kids would start fights with me. I'd lose, then train harder, and go after them. I avenged every loss except for one: He went to prison.

Where as other guys would stand and face each other, talking shit, I'd fight.

Post: #60

(11-28-2011 03:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-28-2011 02:46 PM)Moma Wrote:  Were there any guys with much lower numbers and if so, why?

Yes. More people are interested in talking shit than fighting. My numbers were probably in the top 10%.

I was a poor kid, but for whatever reason, was an outcast among the poors. Thus, I fought the other poor kids. (Rich kids didn't fight.)

Older poor kids would start fights with me. I'd lose, then train harder, and go after them. I avenged every loss except for one: He went to prison.

Where as other guys would stand and face each other, talking shit, I'd fight.

Which means that most of the fights were avoidable and pretty much carried through because of you. Not judging your previous acts, just clarifying.
Now, the thing with what you used to do..cool..however, the new era is different.

New era cats are more cowardly.

With all these 100 fights, nowadays, lots of cats will be happy to go to their trunk or wherever they keep the shyt these days and light someone up.

Thus, the first act of combat should be to try and lower aggression, run if possible and fight as a last resort.

Of course, I am open to correction if that is wrong.

Post: #61

(11-28-2011 03:07 PM)Moma Wrote:  Which means that most of the fights were avoidable and pretty much carried through because of you. Not judging your previous acts, just clarifying.
Now, the thing with what you used to do..cool..however, the new era is different.

New era cats are more cowardly.

With all these 100 fights, nowadays, lots of cats will be happy to go to their trunk or wherever they keep the shyt these days and light someone up.

Thus, the first act of combat should be to try and lower aggression, run if possible and fight as a last resort.

Of course, I am open to correction if that is wrong.

Avoidable? Sure. People like to say, "Live to fight another day." If you always keep running, that winds up being the credo of a coward.

I go through bad areas and don't get messed with. Social awareness and size are advantages. The main problem I have with guys today is that they are haters. My last fight stemmed from a guy hating on me for pulling the hottest girls at the bar.

But I'm not going to run. That's not the warrior's way.

Post: #62

Quote:Now, the thing with what you used to do..cool..however, the new era is different.

No, its not different.

Quote:New era cats are more cowardly.

No, its the same.

Quote:With all these 100 fights, nowadays, lots of cats will be happy to go to their trunk or wherever they keep the shyt these days and light someone up.

You're talking about the difference between black and white neighborhoods. That's why you perceive it as different. It's a demographics thing, not a new era thing. Poor white people generally don't do that. It's pretty rare.

The only place where people consistently go to there trunk for a fight, anyway, is on TV. But, when it happens in real life, its usually not in a poor rural white neighborhood, where MikeCF grew up. I grew up and currently live in an equivalent white urban area, and people still didn't and don't do that.

Post: #63

I used to work at a high school in a very bad neighborhood. I thought there would be fights all the time. To my surprise, fist fights were not that common.

An older teacher at the school explained to me that fist fights were a life or death situation. If a kid gets beat up, he will almost certainly seek revenge, often with a gun. Getting into a fight can turn into a serious "beef", families get involved, gang ties are an issue.

In most neighborhoods, people fight, shake hands, get a beer and get over it. But, in the hood in California, be careful. Beating someone up is just the beginning of the battle, they will be back for their revenge. They will go to your mothers house first.

I guess it happens back east too..

"So step away with your fist fight ways
motherfucker this ain't back in the days"

"But the stupid motherfuckers wanna try to use Kung-Fu
Instead of a Mac-10 he tried scrappin
Slugs in his back and, that's what the fuck happens
when you sleep on the street
Little motherfuckers with heat, wanna leave a brother six feet deep"

Post: #64

Alright guys I appreciate the responses. It sounds like Boxing and some Krav would be worthwhile investments. Largely just for the sense of personal power, knowing that if needed I can dish damage with my hands and get myself to safety. Wrestling to me at this point is not something I'm going to invest in, although yeah I can see it'd be really useful if you'd trained in highschool. I've already got some rusty grappling -so hopefully I'll remember to sweep or triangle if I end up on my back. Awesome.

Post: #65

(11-28-2011 04:18 PM)RichieP Wrote:  Alright guys I appreciate the responses. It sounds like Boxing and some Krav would be worthwhile investments. Largely just for the sense of personal power, knowing that if needed I can dish damage with my hands and get myself to safety. Wrestling to me at this point is not something I'm going to invest in, although yeah I can see it'd be really useful if you'd trained in highschool. I've already got some rusty grappling -so hopefully I'll remember to sweep or triangle if I end up on my back. Awesome.

i'd suggest Muay Thai before boxing. You will learn some boxing in Muay Thai but you will also learn kicks, knees, and elbows, and how to defend against them.

Post: #66

cool... Brian how much Muay Thai would I need till I have some basic "weapons" in my arsenal? like say training 2x a week, how long until I can throw a decent low kick, a knee, an elbow, etc?

Im guessing these 30 day bootcamps arent really enough right? I'm gonna be in BKK for 3 months so I'm considering a personal trainer.

Post: #67

(11-28-2011 06:04 PM)RichieP Wrote:  cool... Brian how much Muay Thai would I need till I have some basic "weapons" in my arsenal? like say training 2x a week, how long until I can throw a decent low kick, a knee, an elbow, etc?

Im guessing these 30 day bootcamps arent really enough right? I'm gonna be in BKK for 3 months so I'm considering a personal trainer.

i think it depends how athletic you are and your natural body type. if you are in BKK that would be an awesome opportunity to learn Muay Thai and it wont cost you much. I'd encourage you to spend more the 2x a week training and to immerse yourself in the sport while you have that kind of an opportunity. If you do that you will have a pretty solid foundation pretty quickly.

Post: #68

Another one for Boxing ........





Even at this age One Punch Landing correctly does the Job , I found this video very entertaining

Post: #69

Quote:I used to work at a high school in a very bad neighborhood. I thought there would be fights all the time. To my surprise, fist fights were not that common.

It would be instructive to know the murder rate per capita in that area where you worked.

That's because we have between 360-400-ish murders per year here. Which is a lot, in terms of the national average. I believe its one of the top, but I'm not sure. We have Camden across the River, which is always at the top. Anyway, with that said, there are constant fights, pretty much every day, in our inner city schools. I know form my experience teaching as well as from my fathers. I once had a bunch of kids charge out of my class, beat up a kid outside of my door, leave him lying there, and come back in and sit down like nothing happened. The school didn't do anything about it either. My father would constantly break up fights, but also a lot of girl fights. They would use scissors and razor blades to try and cut each other, and frequently would slice each other up. Mothers would often get involved, as was your experience as well. It wasn't uncommon for my father to have kids jacked up on the wall by their necks, as that was sometimes all he could do to stop what they were trying to do to each other. However, he never came home telling me about anyone getting shot. That was in North Philadelphia, which is about as bad of a ghetto as it gets, by anyone's standards. In area, its one of the largest in the country. Ever see The Wire? That is the best visual and environmental depiction of inner city Philadelphia schools(although they were depicting Baltimore) that I've ever seen, done by Hollywood, for those that can't picture it. They got the average classroom atmosphere down pretty well in that.

Even with 400 murders a year here, there are still multitudes more fights here on a daily basis, just in the schools. And I'd venture to guess that most of these murders don't stem from teenage fights. People are still vicious here, but it doesn't seem like kids fighting leads to murder as a rule, here, even in the ghetto. That's just my take on things, which is why it would be curious to me that there would be so many in-school murders somewhere else, that kids just won't fight. Anyway, who really cares... They are responsible for their own school environment and they ruin it. They dictate their own behavior and the results of that behavior. It's been going on for decades. It actually got so bad this year that it was on the news a lot. Teachers getting jumped, etc.. The city actually doesn't know what to do but to throw more money at security.

Post: #70

Hydro,

It was in East Palo Alto, California. I'm curious to see the figures. At one time, it was the murder capital of the nation, statistically. But, things have gotten much better since then.

I actually worked in a jr. high which might explain the lack of fighting. I'm sure if it was a high school, there would have been a bit more.

My point is that if you have been in dozens of street fights and you are still alive, consider yourself lucky. Getting into street fights is like playing russian roulette. Sooner or later you are gonna get shot, but thats only in certain neighborhoods. When guys talk about getting into fights at the bars every other weekend, I know no one is getting killed in those neighborhoods, if they were were, they wouldn't be so eager to get into a fist fight, not if they knew their life was on the line.

Btw, I have a ton of respect for Philly. The boxers and other athletes that come from there are a tough as they come.

Post: #71

Ok,I'm from Hull,Quebec named the little chicago of canada.That's funny but, It was the city with the higher criminality for a long period of time .The main reason is because street fight are really common here , like every night. Anyway to respond for the reason why some place peeple fight more , here the reason it's we have a clash of 2 differents culture english and french . And I don't now how many blood fest we had here and brawls to the point they clean up the downtown and close many bar because of that . In my experience that I have been involved and seen . You better be a good striker than a good ground athlethe . I rarely see a fight on the ground it's why that's surprise me when I read the guy from scarborough said it was the opposite where he live .Here it's a knockout fest you don't have the time to give an appointment to your opponent,bing bang and it's finish. If it goes outside it's gang vs gang you cannot go on the ground you will be cheap shot/stab/choke/kick . Another thing is in a bar with all the people and obstacle,table,chair,bar you have to strike you can't kick or put a projection on the ground. You will never see again fair fight like our parents. This time is gone .

Post: #72

Conflict resolution is the best self defence skill.

After that, to beat your average drunk guy starting a fight, just animal ferocity and a desire to cause severe pain.

Against trained fighters? Run.

Post: #73

(11-27-2011 03:51 AM)pitt Wrote:  MikeCF you been over 100 street fights in the streets? You must start trouble over nothing if you have been over so many fights in the streets.

Exactly. If you are having that many problems, it is time to move, change your habits and/or see a therapist.