Post: #51

(01-24-2013 04:58 PM)Menace Wrote:  Don't really have a dog in this fight, but you can't really be comparing a state vs. another state, it's got to be the city.

Scarecrow starting comparing the states because he is grasping at straws. No one else is.

I think he got panicky and lost his composure when I read him perfectly just from what he is posting on the forum and the way he speaks that he had never lived in either state.

But then again, I am a master of reading people and picking up on subtle nuances.

Post: #52

Weird that a mexican "master" enjoys more florida than california....

Post: #53

(01-24-2013 05:14 PM)Scarecr0w Wrote:  Weird that a mexican "master" enjoys more florida than california....

The flag shows where we currently are in the world, not our nationality.

Post: #54

G Manifesto,

I have read your South FL versus SoCal breakdown and I think its one of your contributions to the forum. That said, I have to agree with those that say for overall quality of living, LA is still better than Miami.

I concede the points you bring up: 2am closing time, state income tax, and isolation from other areas. However, as HC said, California has all those diverse outdoor sports/activities and skiing/snowboarding at numerous resorts.

Also: more business opportunity and industry in California, and despite all the scum that comes to LA for the showbiz industry, I still think the quality of people in LA is better/more solid than Miami. I know this sounds vague, but I'm not sure how else to better describe it. Also, LA has a niche for everybody/everything, no matter how esoteric, or strange. It's DEEPER than Miami. There are more things to do, more culture.

Basically what it comes down to is this: in the big areas of: 1) Nightlife, 2) beach, 3) girls, Miami wins it (granted, these are huge areas). However, CA still takes it for me overall when you consider overall life, outside of girls/partying.

Also, the smoking thing that you rail about so often against LA, is a huge POSITIVE for me.

Post: #55

(01-24-2013 05:14 PM)Scarecr0w Wrote:  Weird that a mexican "master" enjoys more florida than california....

You went from barely making sense to making zero sense in just a few posts.

Again, I am more than happy to intelligently debate the merits of South Beach VS any city in Southern California (or neighborhood), but you have to at least make some (or one? or any?) concrete points in the favor of your argument.

You are starting to make a fool of yourself. Scratch that, you already have a few times.

Post: #56

(01-24-2013 05:17 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 05:14 PM)Scarecr0w Wrote:  Weird that a mexican "master" enjoys more florida than california....

The flag shows where we currently are in the world, not our nationality.

Ohh if that is not the case, my apologies to all mexicans

Post: #57

(01-24-2013 04:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Moving the discussion from /thread-19910-...#pid355315

(01-24-2013 04:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 04:18 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 02:59 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 02:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  But the thing is, South Beach is the ONLY thing going on in the ENTIRE state of Florida. I mean nobody here is talking about setting up base in Tallahassee, Orlando or Jacksonville. Socal has 3 major cities worth visiting in their own right and Vegas is right in our backyard. Plus a lot of smaller but cool towns like Santa Barbara, Napa, Santa Cruz, etc. The isolation and distance "from everything else" is a downer, but it could be worse. Try telling that to our boy Kona. Now that's isolation.

Check out Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach.

Fort Lauderdale single handedlly bloodies San Diego.

And Palm Beach decapitates Beverly Hills.

Given all the love G Manifesto throws to Miami it's not a surprise this thread turned to SOBE vs RIO real fast. I've said many times on RVF South Beach in the winter is fucking amazing.

But are you drunk? Did you go to the gym today and get hit in the head a few too many times? Ft Lauderdale over San Diego? Palm Beach over Beverly Hills? Hell no fucking way am I co-signing that nonsense.

Easy.

More girls than guys in Fort Lauderdale.

More guys than girls in San Diego.

Girls in mostly high heels and skirts in Fort Lauderdale.

Girls in flip flops and Ugg boots and jeans in San Diego.

5am last call in Fort Lauderdale.

1:30am last call in San Diego.

Direct 2:30 hour flights to Colombia from Fort Lauderdale.

20 hour flights to Colombia from San Diego.

0% State tax in Fort Lauderdale.

10% State tax in San Diego.

Shall I continue?

Have you lived in both?

How many years?

(01-24-2013 04:18 PM)Scarecr0w Wrote:  Are you going to compare FT lauderdale with San Diego? are you serious?
I mean really, comparing florida to california is just nonsense, you cant beat what the 12th biggest economy in the world can offer in terms of variety and opportunities with just beaches and nightlife...

What are these "varieties" you speak of?

How many years have you lived in both?

I can tell by the way you write, you have never lived in California.

Have you even been there? For a week?

If you guys want to continue this discussion, we can do so over here:

/thread-9545.html

I don't want to derail Hen's thread on Rio.

Good move to this thread G. I love South Beach - in the winter.

Given the choice of SD or Ft L I choose SD. Palm Beach or B Hills? Hills easy.

I lived 5 years in California. Lived in San Luis Obispo worked in Santa Barbara (it was a hike). Moved south to LA County - PV for a year. The last 2 years were in Newport beach.

My family has had roots in S Florida for 50 years. Owned a condo on the beach, I lived on A1A for 5 years, than moved to Las Olas Ft Lauderdale for a year.

Ft Lauderdale sucks. It has it's moments but it's a mostly a rainbow flag white trash sewer drain scattered with 3rd world refugees.

I personally do not care about last call times and smoking laws and would not make life decisions based upon them.

Post: #58

Ok, now we are having an intelligent discussion.

(01-24-2013 05:20 PM)Technics Wrote:  I concede the points you bring up: 2am closing time, state income tax, and isolation from other areas. However, as HC said, California has all those diverse outdoor sports/activities and skiing/snowboarding at numerous resorts.

People always say this, but what are these "activities"?

How often is someone living in Santa Monica packing up the SUV to drive to the desert to rock climb? Once every three years? At most? Most likely never.

How often is someone living in La Jolla going skiing? Three times a winter at the very most? Most likely never.

How often is someone living in Silverlake going to the beach? Five times in a year during the summer? Maybe zero.

Have you ever lived in California? Or are you just speculating like everyone else that makes those comments?

Quote:Also: more business opportunity and industry in California,

Agreed 100%. Although it depends on your industry.

Also, you are now conflating "California" into the discussion to make your point. Quit moving the goal posts around.

And it is a non-issue for someone location independent.

Quote:There are more things to do, more culture.

Again, people always say this. Like what?

"More culture"?

Not sure how there is more "culture" than Miami where you have people from almost every country on earth in the same place.

Quote:Basically what it comes down to is this: in the big areas of: 1) Nightlife, 2) beach, 3) girls, Miami wins it (granted, these are huge areas). However, CA still takes it for me overall when you consider overall life, outside of girls/partying.

Ok. So Miami wins the three most important things in the Playboy lifestyle, but CA wins?

There is some disconnect there.

Quote:Also, the smoking thing that you rail about so often against LA, is a huge POSITIVE for me.

Fair enough. Freedom of choice isn't one of your priorities.

How long have you lived in both places to come to this conclusion about "overall life"?

(01-24-2013 05:22 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  Good move to this thread G. I love South Beach - in the winter.

Given the choice of SD or Ft L I choose SD. Palm Beach or B Hills? Hills easy.

I lived 5 years in California. Lived in San Luis Obispo worked in Santa Barbara (it was a hike). Moved south to LA County - PV for a year. The last 2 years were in Newport beach.

My family has had roots in S Florida for 50 years. Owned a condo on the beach, I lived on A1A for 5 years, than moved to Las Olas Ft Lauderdale for a year.

Top marks for redirection.

I noticed you haven't lived in San Diego or Beverly Hills, which was what we are discussing.

Quote:I personally do not care about last call times and smoking laws and would not make life decisions based upon them.

So freedom is not something you base your life decisions on either. We differ on that. And that is fine. Some people love having people tell them what to do and how they should live their life. I don't happen to be one of them.

If freedom doesn't matter to you, what about money? Does that matter to you?

Let's say hypothetically, you were making, I don't know, let's say $550k per year.

And living in South Beach was saving you 55k.

Would you still have the same opinion?

Your not giving one reason why you like, two places your have never lived in, San Diego and Beverly Hills more. Not even one concrete example. Not even a silly Vignette. Nothing.

Remember you were the one who initiated this discussion by saying I got "hit in the head a few too many times", and then you can't back your self up. Don't bring this weak sh*t to the hoop.

Maybe you can convince me, but so far you haven't even made your opening remarks. Hell, you are still in the parking lot of the courthouse.

Post: #59

(01-24-2013 05:22 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  Ft Lauderdale sucks. It has it's moments but it's a mostly a rainbow flag white trash sewer drain scattered with 3rd world refugees.

I don't know why Ft. Lauderdale gets a lot of hype on this forum, I think a couple posters killed it there and had everyone thinking it is paradise. Aside from Las Olas / Riverfront, there's really not much to do. All of Broward county feels like Alabama or something compared to Miami.

(01-13-2012 02:32 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  As far as culture, I hear a lot of people say "Miami has no culture".

I think people who say that stayed on South Beach for a week or something and never saw the rest of the city. It's there if you look for it, you just have to dig deeper and avoid the tourist areas.

Post: #60

Tiger moved to Florida... http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/blog/ti...orida-move

Post: #61

(01-24-2013 06:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 05:22 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  Good move to this thread G. I love South Beach - in the winter.

Given the choice of SD or Ft L I choose SD. Palm Beach or B Hills? Hills easy.

I lived 5 years in California. Lived in San Luis Obispo worked in Santa Barbara (it was a hike). Moved south to LA County - PV for a year. The last 2 years were in Newport beach.

My family has had roots in S Florida for 50 years. Owned a condo on the beach, I lived on A1A for 5 years, than moved to Las Olas Ft Lauderdale for a year.

Top marks for redirection.

I noticed you haven't lived in San Diego or Beverly Hills, which was what we are discussing.

Quote:I personally do not care about last call times and smoking laws and would not make life decisions based upon them.

So freedom is not something you base your life decisions on either. We differ on that. And that is fine.

What about money? Does that matter to you?

Let's say hypothetically, you were making, I don't know, let's say $550k per year.

And living in South Beach was saving you 55k.

Would you still have the same opinion?

I provided you my Florida and California credentials and you comment that

"I noticed you haven't lived in San Diego or Beverly Hills, which was what we are discussing"

From what I have read The G Manifesto has spent a few months during tourist season on South Beach. You say Palm Beach and Ft Lauderdale destroy San Diego and Beverly Hills. Should I bite from your playbook and say " I noticed you haven't lived in Palm Beach or Ft Lauderdale, which is what we are discussing"?

I don't understand your line of thinking here?

I choose San Diego over Ft Lauderdale and Beverly Hills over Palm Beach. I do not need to live in all 4 places to make that decision.

I agree with the freedom point. California has more rules than necessary. I also do not not state taxes. Take notice that I left California to Florida. I like Miami. South Beach is my favorite of the 3 OP cities.

Post: #62

(01-24-2013 06:47 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  I choose San Diego over Ft Lauderdale and Beverly Hills over Palm Beach.

We are having a discussion. Make your case.

You haven't provided one reason why. Convince me.

I want to see your point, but you aren't making it. You are just making the same statement over and over again and not backing it up.

Remember you were the one who initiated this discussion by saying I got "hit in the head a few too many times" when I detailed my opinion point by point, and then you can't back your self up. Don't bring this weak sh*t to the hoop or it's going to get slapped into the cheap seats every time.

---

And no, I have spent a lot more time in South Florida, than just "a few months during tourist season on South Beach".

Where are your Data Sheets on San Diego and Beverly Hills?

I have written pretty detailed accounts on all four places some going back 7 years.

Share the wealth. That is what this forum is all about.

Post: #63

G Manifesto,

I have much love for Miami but the following is just an answer to your challenging about Los Angeles, as I have already mentioned/conceded Miami's strong points.

I don't know how to respond as neatly with the formatting, so I'll respond to your points below:

1) Activities you asked about? Skiing, Snowboarding, Surfing (not available in Miami), windsurfing, rock-climbing, hiking. In general, Los Angeles County (and very close-by) has a much more diverse geographical landscape than Miami-Dade County, and the scenery and activities reflects this. Do you know where these activities are in Miami?

2) I have lived in Santa Monica and West LA, and many other areas of LA and when I am in LA I do one of the above activities 3-4 times per month. Remember, players come with all different preferences physical-activity wise. Just because YOU only do these activities once every 3 years, doesn't mean they're not a big consideration for others.

3) Yes, of course I have lived in Miami and Los Angeles, for several years both. I'm sure of all posters here, you can appreciate that for anonymity's sake, I prefer not to state the exact number of years of both.

4) I said "California" with respect to the business opportunities just because I was getting sloppy with my language. How about this: LOS ANGELES has tons of more business opportunity than Miami. Of course it always depends on the industry, as no two cities are identical, but this is not even a close match here.

Even if you drop show business (for which there's absolutely no argument to be made), the following are industries where LA absolutely trounces Miami: 1) Law, 2) International Trade, 3) Fashion, 4) General Manufacturing, 5) Higher Education, 6) Aerospace technology. The list goes on and on. And again, this is all JUST in LA county.

5) As to your location-independent comment, I believe that being location-independent can just at best dilute the impact of one city having more industry than it than another. It will hardly ever make it a "non-issue", as you mentioned because at very least most location independent guys (that I know, at least) still must hobnob, meet with clients, check in on production, meet for an in-person interview, or some such thing at least every so often. If you personally, do not have to at least meet with people at least occasionally, then props to you as I don't know anyone else personally who is location-independent to the point that they do not have to meet up at least sometimes.

Also, fact remains, 98% of people are not anywhere close to location-independent, so even if this factor is diluted for you, it's of prime importance to most others.

6) Your "culture" comment: There are multiple tiers to this. First, there is more culture in the sense of communities of people from different countries in LA. Miami is very diverse as far as LATIN-AMERICAN communities goes. How many Chinese are there in Miami? Japanese? Persian? There are just some, but not enough to create cohesive communities. LA, by contrast, has entire areas and communities representing just those groups above, also not to mention Thai, Vietnamese, Indian. This diversity spices up life in LA from dining, to different styles of parties, to people you can meet, etc.

Second aspect of the "culture" question is the culture in the DEEP sense of: Museums, art, classical music, etc. Again Miami has a little, but LA is a global metropolitan city when it comes to these categories. And before you start, yes, I know, I probably have questionable sexual orientation, for admitting interest in such things.

Fact is, even if you're not doing these things on a daily or weekly basis, their very existence contributes greatly to the milieu/environment of LA, in a positive way.

7) Regarding the categories of: girls, beaches, and nightlife. Yes they are important, even extremely important, but this is a conversation about OVERALL QUALITY of life. Even a beast who goes out 3-5 nights per week has got to fill the days with other things, and has to deal with living life from day to day. Even though I can get by no problem in Spanish, I personally find it annoying that a cashier or a customer service person in Miami may not know English.

Miami is somewhat of a wild-wild west compared to other cities. Even if you take the police-state of California out of the question (which I agree with you, to a large degree), Miami is quite dangerous/lawless compared to other cities in the U.S. It's a double-edged sword: on one hand it makes for the fun/wild times, but on the other hand it can be an annoying hassle living in on a day to day basis.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this point, is not being even-handed when discussing Miami.

8) Smoking: You state incorrectly that freedom of choice is not a priority for me.

On the contrary, it's quite important to me. Difference is, my choice is to not allow someone else's weak-willed decision to poison themselves cut short my life-span and make me smell like shit.

Post: #64

Quote:"Tell Uncle Luke I'm out in Miami too, clubbin' hard, fuckin' women, there ain't much to do."

I'm not the biggest Drake fan, but he wasn't lying when he said that.

Miami has it highlights, there's no question about that, but I'm not sure it should be the gold standard when discussing other cities.

The only reason I won't move back to NYC, which in my opinion murders Miami in terms of way of life, is because I don't like winter.

Post: #65

Another thing about Miami I've never cared for is that they have a "resorty" looking downtown that reminds you a bit of Panama City or Honolulu. For some reason downtowns in the tropics often look like this.



Whereas L.A. has a downtown(7th street pictured below) that looks more historic and fits the image of what a downtown is supposed to seem like, similar to what you'd see in Chicago or NYC:

Post: #66

(01-24-2013 07:15 PM)Technics Wrote:  Even though I can get by no problem in Spanish, I personally find it annoying that a cashier or a customer service person in Miami may not know English.

When I first came to Miami, I wondered, where are the white people at?

What you mentioned is the reason why, you don't get a decent population of whites until you get to Broward.

Miami is unapologetically a Latin American city within the borders of the U.S.

Post: #67

Good post.

(01-24-2013 07:15 PM)Technics Wrote:  Surfing (not available in Miami),

False. Perfect tubes in South Beach during Hurricane Sandy.

Quote:Do you know where these activities are in Miami?

Windsurfing yes.

The rest no. Thankfully, I don't give a f*ck about any of the others. Good point though.

Quote:2) I have lived in Santa Monica and West LA, and many other areas of LA and when I am in LA I do one of the above activities 3-4 times per month.

Serious? You are going rockclimbing every weekend? You are in the .000000000001% of people. Fair enough.

Quote:4) I said "California" with respect to the business opportunities just because I was getting sloppy with my language. How about this: LOS ANGELES has tons of more business opportunity than Miami. Of course it always depends on the industry, as no two cities are identical, but this is not even a close match here.

I said before I agreed here.

What's your thoughts on paying an extra 10% in taxes in CA. Do you love it?

Quote:5) As to your location-independent comment, I believe that being location-independent can just at best dilute the impact of one city having more industry than it than another. It will hardly ever make it a "non-issue", as you mentioned because at very least most location independent guys (that I know, at least) still must hobnob, meet with clients, check in on production, meet for an in-person interview, or some such thing at least every so often. If you personally, do not have to at least meet with people at least occasionally, then props to you as I don't know anyone else personally who is location-independent to the point that they do not have to meet up at least sometimes.

Thanks for the props.

Quote:6) Your "culture" comment: There are multiple tiers to this. First, there is more culture in the sense of communities of people from different countries in LA. Miami is very diverse as far as LATIN-AMERICAN communities goes. How many Chinese are there in Miami? Japanese? Persian? There are just some, but not enough to create cohesive communities. LA, by contrast, has entire areas and communities representing just those groups above, also not to mention Thai, Vietnamese, Indian. This diversity spices up life in LA from dining, to different styles of parties, to people you can meet, etc.

Where are the Colombian, Cuban, Haitian, Argentinian, Venezulan communities in LA?

Wash.

Quote:Second aspect of the "culture" question is the culture in the DEEP sense of: Museums, art, classical music, etc. Again Miami has a little, but LA is a global metropolitan city when it comes to these categories. And before you start, yes, I know, I probably have questionable sexual orientation, for admitting interest in such things.

Since you are gay, you must know about Art Basel right? Biggest art festival in the world?

Nothing in LA even is one hundredth of Art Basel.

(This was a joke. I love art).

Quote:7) Regarding the categories of: girls, beaches, and nightlife. Yes they are important, even extremely important, but this is a conversation about OVERALL QUALITY of life. Even a beast who goes out 3-5 nights per week has got to fill the days with other things, and has to deal with living life from day to day.

I go out 3-5 nights easy.

Are you going for ocean swims in LA every day? Is the water temp 75 degrees in winter?

Quote:Even though I can get by no problem in Spanish, I personally find it annoying that a cashier or a customer service person in Miami may not know English.

Does that annoy you as well when you are in Colombia or Spain?

Quote:Miami is somewhat of a wild-wild west compared to other cities.

Thank God.

Quote:Miami is quite dangerous/lawless compared to other cities in the U.S. It's a double-edged sword: on one hand it makes for the fun/wild times, but on the other hand it can be an annoying hassle living in on a day to day basis.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this point, is not being even-handed when discussing Miami.

The chance of getting in a fist fight are way higher in Southern California beach towns than South Beach.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this point, is not being even-handed when discussing Southern California beach towns.

Quote:Difference is, my choice is to not allow someone else's weak-willed decision to poison themselves cut short my life-span

My choice is not to worry about people with weak constitutions. Only the strong survive. It's the "Alpha Way". I thought someone on this forum would understand this.

Good work, you made some great points (not being sarcastic).

It is safe to say we are very different people with very different upbringings. And that is were we differ. And that is ok.

Post: #68

(01-24-2013 07:29 PM)jariel Wrote:  Miami is unapologetically a Latin American city within the borders of the U.S.

You could say the same about L.A. Only Mexico city D.F. has more Mexicans than L.A. does.

It's like:

1) Mexico D.F.
2) Los Angeles
3) Guadalajara
4) Monterrey

or something like that.

Post: #69

G Manifesto,

I see you broke down and started joking instead of responding seriously to some of the points I made, so I assume that means you're acknowledging those particular points.

As I've said, I think both cities are amazing and fortunately they are complimentary in many ways, meaning that the things I feel I'm lacking in one are usually in the other when I visit.

I agree with a lot of what you say about the differences, I think you just short-change LA a little bit.

Edit:

By the way, I see you twisted something I said: "I do ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED ACTIVITIES 3-4 TIMES PER MONTH" (There were 6 activities listed) and bastardized it by saying:

"Serious? You are going rockclimbing every weekend? You are in the .000000000001% of people. Fair enough."

You tend to do this quite often, I notice.

Post: #70

(01-24-2013 07:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  The chance of getting in a fist fight are way higher in Southern California beach towns than South Beach.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this point, is not being even-handed when discussing Southern California beach towns.

Ya, for the places we're talking about in Miami, at worst you're dealing with what I like to call "Kendall thugs", suburbian posers with more bark than bite.

Post: #71

Quote:I see you broke down and started joking instead of responding seriously to some of the points I made, so I assume that means you're acknowledging those particular points.

If that is your way out of the debate, it was a crafty one where you could save face. Good job.

(01-24-2013 07:43 PM)Technics Wrote:  Edit:

By the way, I see you twisted something I said: "I do ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED ACTIVITIES 3-4 TIMES PER MONTH" (There were 6 activities listed) and bastardized it by saying:

"Serious? You are going rockclimbing every weekend? You are in the .000000000001% of people. Fair enough."

You tend to do this quite often, I notice.

Well yeah.

Last time I checked, there are 4 weeks per month in LA and Miami.

Also, where are your LA and South Beach Data Sheets?

Someone who knows both so well, surely has some info to share. Break it down.

Share the wealth. That is what this forum is all about.

Post: #72

(01-24-2013 07:51 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:43 PM)Technics Wrote:  Edit:

By the way, I see you twisted something I said: "I do ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED ACTIVITIES 3-4 TIMES PER MONTH" (There were 6 activities listed) and bastardized it by saying:

"Serious? You are going rockclimbing every weekend? You are in the .000000000001% of people. Fair enough."

You tend to do this quite often, I notice.

Well yeah.

Last time I checked, there are 4 weeks per month in LA and Miami.

Also, where are your LA and South Beach Data Sheets?

Someone who know both so well, surely has some info to share.

Share the wealth. That is what this forum is all about.

My brother,

I do ONE of those six activities I mentioned 3-4 times per month, not "rock-climbing every weekend" as you said. We're hip to your belittling tactics at RVF--just please disagree tastefully without twisting my words to make what I wrote appear to be ridiculous (".00000001% of people" nonsense)

Also, I definitely agree with you about sharing the wealth. I've been thinking about the Miami/LA data-sheets, but I haven't made some yet as both are so well covered here and due to the time to write a data-sheet the way I like.

If you notice, I have contributed on LA and Miami threads, answering guy's questions, sometimes right in there with your own comments.

That said, I still might write something if I feel like I can really shed light on something that hasn't already been covered.

Post: #73

Has anyone brought up weather? The climate in Socal is amazing. One of the best in the world, and easily the best in the United States. Few places I've been have a similar climate (parts of Chile, Spain, Lebanon and Israel). There's just something about getting off the plane and walking around LA or San Diego on a sunny day that just puts you in a good, laid back kind of mood.

Post: #74

(01-24-2013 08:04 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Has anyone brought up weather? The climate in Socal is amazing. One of the best in the world, and easily the best in the United States. Few places I've been have a similar climate (parts of Chile, Spain, Lebanon and Israel). There's just something about getting off the plane and walking around LA or San Diego on a sunny day that just puts you in a good, laid back kind of mood.

HC,

Yes, I love the weather in LA and SD, but I don't really mention it in a "versus" discussion because I also love Miami weather.

Actually contrary to most people, I give the slight edge to Miami. I'll take oppressive summers combined with swimming in the ocean 10 months per year versus LA more mild summers, but swimming only 3 months per year.

Post: #75

I don't really get the whole "CA has skiing" part of the debate....sure its technically CA, but if you have to drive 7 or 8 hours, how is that so much better than just catching a flight from Miami to Colorado?

Also, people surf and can do all the water activites in Florida too, so that's another point I don't really get. seems like a push to me in the "activities" category.