(07-24-2014 10:50 PM)rottenapple Wrote: (07-24-2014 09:30 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote: (07-24-2014 08:18 PM)objectivist tree Wrote: Maybe its just me but I really hope both sides lose.
I am inclined to agree to an extent, and sometimes wonder if we should just arm the entire Middle East to the teeth with any weapon with a short range so that they can blow the shit out of each other, but nowhere else. A better solution, of course, might be to get off oil (if that's even possible) so that we can ignore the entire region if necessary.
That said, Israel produces a lot of smart people. The Palestinians don't. The loss of Israel would be a loss to civilisation. At the end of the day, I'm always going to side with the side that produces the Nobel Laureates. In that respect, I am not averse to the concept of colonialism at all. Fuck the Palestinians, they can't govern themselves, and they're a net drain to the rest of the world. Someone needs to step in and let these clowns understand that there is a natural hierarchy in this world, and some people are naturally at the bottom of it until they prove otherwise. Apparently, Israel is the only (semi-)Western nation in the world anymore that has taken the red pill and understands what's what, i.e. that everyone in the rest of the region wants them eradicated. Israel could start throwing birthday parties with clowns and bouncy castles for every single Palestinian and the entire region would still want Israel destroyed.
It's only because our own countries are so unbelievably pussified and blue pill that we can't recognise this. The world doesn't exist as one big happy family. It's a Darwinian competition. No one gives a shit about human rights except people in the West, and it's a weapon we have invented in our culturally Marxist self-loathing for others to use against us.
Sorry but this post is a load of crap if you ask me. First you start off with saying all people in the ME are worthless and you prefer them dead. I wont even begin discussing that. Then you state that the conflict is about oil. Oil as far as I know doesnt play a big part in this and there are other reasons why US backs Israel.
You may have misinterpreted my point. I don't think the West should be getting dragged into no-win conflicts in a part of the world that collectively can't get its shit together. Let them sort it all out themselves. The bit about about arming them all to the teeth was hyperbole. Besides, it wouldn't work anyway as some of the crazies would inevitably get to have a go at somewhere civilised.
A large part of it is actually to do with oil for two reasons. Firstly, the U.S. needs allies in the region so it can maintain the flow of oil. Secondly, as a result, U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is a tightrope walk about not telling certain countries to just piss off. If the U.S. didn't need to kowtow to the Saudis, for instance, then they'd either ignore the whole Middle East or support Israel for being a fellow (semi-)Western, modern, civilised nation. There'd be no foreign aid, support or humouring BS from most of the nations surrounding the U.S. Then again, at the rate the degeneracy is spreading, it wouldn't surprise me if the U.S. turned on Israel precisely because it is modern and civilised. There seems to be a weird loathing of anything good or noble in the West right now.
Quote:You then proceed to say that Israelis are smarter because they win noble prices and therefore more important. Try to become a nobelprice winner growing up in gaza, where most of the time you have no electricity, water is short, your school gets bombed, your family has no food and you are completely cut off from outside world. Not to begin that it makes absolutely no sense to judge a country based on noble price laureates, I mean didnt Obama just won the noble price on peace? What a joke. Not against colonialism... OK.
Israelis are smarter than those around them, period. Jews are smarter than everyone else, period. I say this as a non-Jew. They punch massively above their body weight on IQ tests, awards such as Nobel Prizes (I'm talking about the real ones, not BS like Literature or Peace), etc. I know people don't want to believe this because it's not PC, but there is a hierarchy of intelligence, and this does make some individuals, or groups of people, more important than others. You may think we're all equal, but we're not. Pluck you or me -- let alone some mouth breather from Gaza -- out of history and the world will/would have gone on. Now pretend Isaac Newton never existed. Now extrapolate that up to entire groups of people. There are certain groups of people, whether for genetic or cultural reasons, who do punch massively above their body weight. Switzerland would be another example. Whether the Palestinians are broken at a nature or nurture level, I don't know, but they are fucked in the head one way or another.
If you in any way believe in natural selection for other species, or even within the human race for other traits (e.g. athletic ability or predisposition to diseases), then you can't ignore the elephant in the room regarding intelligence. It's a trait like any other, and thus, has been subject to biological/environmental pressures.
As for your boohoo story that the Palestinians have suffered so much, so what? The Jews went through the Holocaust and then built a modern state with a bunch of smart people, though they already had a bunch of really smart people prior to the Holocaust. Vietnamese guys fled Vietnam on boats in the 1970s. Within a generation their children were doctors in the upper middle class. Even now, Vietnam is getting its shit together, despite having more ordinance dropped on it than that dropped during WW2. Much of East Asia went through colonialism also and has lifted itself up, or is in the process of doing so. Other regions have remained mired in idiocy and backwardness for going on seven decades or more now. Sixty years ago, South Korea was a net receiver of foreign aid. Now it's a net giver. It previously had a GDP/capita on the level of sub-Saharan Africa. Most of its population was illiterate. Now it tops international tests of intelligence, as do other nations in the region generally. There comes a point at which you have to say that some groups of people, either can't get their shit together, or don't want to. Or do these clowns get a pass for the rest of history because someone once did something bad to them? Find me a group of people who haven't been fucked in the arse by history at some point. Some just get on with it though and refuse to wallow in their own status as perpetual victims.
As for colonialism, yes. Many former colonies are objectively worse (e.g. life expectancy, infant mortality, total number of kilometres of roads, etc.) than they were under colonialism. As fucked up as the Belgian Congo (which was the worst of the lot) was, are you really going to tell me that the DRC is an improvement? Western science and medicine, along with governance, improved the lives of hundred of millions of people. This is a fact. Some places took the ball and ran with it after colonialism and have become civilised, advanced nations. I would say such countries are not in need of colonialism. Others have regressed. I would say such countries are in need of colonialism. Pretty simple, really.
Quote:A natural hierarchy in the world of countries? Really?? So which countries are the best and deserve to dominate other countries according to you? When did Palestinians have a chance to properly govern themselves in the last decade or so?
At this point in time, perhaps none, given the general degeneracy of pretty much all modern developed nations and where they're going culturally and demographically (i.e. with total fertility rates), but if push came to shove (a non-exhaustive list): Western Europe, U.S., Canada, the Antipodes, East Asia (including Singapore).
Anyway, it's not a matter of who deserves to dominate others and who does not deserve to dominate others. This has already been pointed out. The winners make the rules. Why would you let the losers make the rules? Why would you even want them to have a say? They're the losers. It's axiomatic that they suck, that their ideas suck, etc. Otherwise they wouldn't have lost.
Gaza is the Elliot Rodger of the international community. In the words of Alec Baldwin: "A loser is a loser."
I believe that all of this koombaya 20th century nonsense about human rights, democracy, everyone getting along is a historical aberration. We are going to see empire and all that that entails come roaring back in a big way perhaps within our lifetimes, but certainly by the end of the century.
I used to dread the decline of Western hegemony, but now I desire it. The Chinese would by no means be perfect, but at least they wouldn't be burdened by all this white guilt over having tried to civilise the savages. Maybe the torch of civilisation/mantle of world leader needs to be passed on to them or someone else who will actually do something with it rather than wallow in self-hate or celebrate the descent into barbarism that the West seems so hell-bent on.
Take the red pill, man, and see that the world is not a giant daycare centre where some frumpy chick in a cardigan can make everyone get along because that's "nice".
Quote:Everyone wants Israel eradicated? Thats exactly what Israeli media is trying to make their population believe. I thought no one else in the world was going for that though but you proved me wrong.
Get real. There are enough quotes/clips floating around the internet from various prominent political and religious leaders of the region wishing a second Holocaust on Israel.
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