Post: #1

This girl is from high school, about a year after graduation we got in touch because of a drunken encounter on the subway. Went on 2 dates, a coffee date and drinking, but I didn't handle my alcohol well and we stopped talking. She recently reached out to me though one of the mass texts which was intended for her church friends for an event she was managing, she isn't religious at all and we have had a conversation on the topic before where I further mentioned my beliefs on different cults, I mean religions, which were established a few thousand years ago.

Long story short, I took it as her conveying her interest in my again for inviting me. Now the dilemma lies here... Her replies to my texts (I take my sweet time to get back to her, sometimes hours) are immaculately fast, mostly under 30 seconds, but her responses are short. I could understand if she took her time and gave me short texts I'd then assume she isn't interested and I'd cut her loose, but I am puzzled by her response time which shows willingness to keep the conversation going. She even revived a conversation from 2 days ago, I had said some shit when I was drunk which may have conflicted with her moral views. Side note: she does have two exams this week.

How would you guys address this? I am thinking of just telling her, but she is a solid 9 and I don't want to lose my frame.

Post: #2

The Roosh aphorism that if you ask about a girl it's already hopeless is probably in effect here.

The idea behind that is you should be indifferent enough so that you wouldn't go to the trouble of asking for help with a girl because:

1) You know you have value, so it's just a question of whether she's smart enough to see it.
You escalate early, get intimate early, or get out early --because your inherent value, and her ability to see, it don't change quickly.

One worries about minor details of communication when one is not sure of the value of one's message.

2) You should be establishing and-- unless you are quite fortunate or super high value--breaking off contact with women regularly. Most women aren't good enough. You weed them out and don't waste time leading them on or hoping they'll change.

3) Don't grasp at straws because you don't have enough women going. You call her including you in a mass text for church "reaching out to you." It may be technically and _possibly_ shows interest in you, but if she sends it to 50 people, it doesn't seem to say much and you're grasping at indicators of interest.

Until and unless you are focused on a great relationship with a high value girl ( who you're already intimate with) you should be too busy fielding inquiries from girls you've opened to obsess about a girl who hasn't even gotten sexual with you.

4) Sex, preferably more than once, is the minimum required indicator she must provide in order for you to exert a lot of effort interpreting her actions etc. Until then assume she is using you as an attention supplier.

5) Texting is bullshit. The primary purpose is to see if they quickly agree to in-person meeting. That is the greatest time-saver ever. She says "no" to a meet without a suggested alternative, you're dead in the water and should be focusing on other girls.

6) Anything but "yes" is no. Never believe excuses.

For someone trying to focus on communication so much, your message is almost unreadable.
Why aren't you using paragraphs? You may be too inside your own head and not thinking about the recipients of your message.

Also you mentioned problematic drunkenness twice. That's accepted a lot in adolescent, college and early 20s circles. It isn't later. It shows low value. Why aren't you studying to make money, learning an instrument, learning a foreign language to make yourself mobile? Sitting there with a beer does little to increase your value-- and everything in the sexual market place fundamentally rests on true value.

Game is just how you maximize the return on your value.

Post: #3

@ iknowexactly

Edited the post. You were right, hopefully it is easier on the eyes now.

I have to thank you for a great breakdown. I can be in my head without thinking of the recipient which tends to happen more than it should. It's a habit which I'll need to put some work on to diminish.

The situation is hopeless. I went in again and got another excuse. Went to my contacts, deleted the number, and the conversation.

Thanks again for the great advice.

Post: #4

^Good choice.

I texted one of my regulars today and got "Nah sorry tomorrow I can't make it, but Thursday I will see you for sure". This is an interested girl. If she says "No I can't make it" and doesn't suggest an alternative date, you're dead.

Same thing than girls saying "I don't know when I can". It means they just don't want. They have trips, exams, hangouts, etc. already planned, so why can't she plan you? Because she is not interested.

A mass text means nothing and she is just trying to invite people.

You did the right thing. Now, NEXT!