Post: #26

Nice guy, but he shouldn't have responded to her. And if he felt he needed to respond to her he needs to up his comeback insult game. Something like:

"Look, I just wanted to say thank you for the night because I'm positive your confidence could use it. Go look in the mirror. You see that hambeast staring back at you? That's you. Somewhere beneath that land mass of fat rolls and cellulite you call 'a body' I figured there was a person who would appreciate just the simple gesture of being appreciated for their time to meet. I was wrong. Your personality is just as ugly as that fucking slug of an outside shell of yours."

Post: #27

(04-03-2017 10:49 AM)hv123 Wrote:  A 300lb woman is a super morbidly obese, disgusting fat fuck. What does it even say about this guy that he didn't fuck off straight out of there at first sight. Never mind that, if this is to be believed as not fake, he sent her a Mr Nice guy message the next day.

If it's real then he's just still suffering from the delusion that being "a gentleman" is the way to women's "hearts"

Perhaps this is the inception of another guy that "wakes up" and finds his way here

If that's the case then let me be the first to send salutations to our future member:

"BroTheseFatBitchesBeTrippin"

Welcome aboard BTFBT!

Post: #28

I don't have an issue with what the guy did. She drew him out. Yes, technically he started getting caught in her snare, but that shit happens sometimes. The important thing is he told a fat girl she was fat. Who do you think was more shaken by that exchange?

Post: #29

If he isn't interested in her, why on earth would he even bother sending an open-ended "hey, it was nice to meet you" text the day after? This suggests to me that he was at least somewhat open to banging her. Or maybe he's just that much of an overly polite simp.

The hambeast needed to be put in her place and this text exchange made for entertaining reading, sure, but the guy can't be much of a prize himself.

(I just reread the texts again, only skimmed them the first time...and it's worse. This bitch was over a hundred pounds heavier than her pictures suggested and he still felt the need to be polite to her?)

Post: #30

Fat Hambeast and Chump reject eachother.

Texting chaos ensues.

Whole thing was a waste of time, then again, it's not because we wouldn't be laughing.

Idk, this sounds too good to be true though.

Post: #31

(04-03-2017 01:32 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  I don't have an issue with what the guy did. She drew him out. Yes, technically he started getting caught in her snare, but that shit happens sometimes. The important thing is he told a fat girl she was fat. Who do you think was more shaken by that exchange?

Paracelsus above nailed it, in my (non-clinical) opinion. This was classic narcissistic rage, and somebody exhibiting this behavior might very well be misdiagnosed as bipolar because of the intensity of it. The old model of narcissistic supply and injury is flawed, but explains many things. She was relying on him for supply and to let her exercise power over him by denying him contact, and didn't get what she wanted.

People in this guy's position are literally in danger, because in the narcissist's world, not only are they high-functioning in nearly every respect (including social desirability) and immune from the rules that govern the rest of society, but their exceptionalism is a universal and sacred truth that is understood by others. Therefore, the only reason he can possibly not want a relationship with her is because he is intentionally and maliciously trying to harm her, and it follows that she is justified in lashing out to harm him because he is now the bad guy for lying about her wonderfulness. She spelled it out very clearly.

This is the portrait of the woman who comes at you with a knife and when you defend yourself, calls the police complaining that you hit her.

...and yes, it might be fake, but having dealt with a narcissist in the past, I can say from experience that this is totally plausible. Nearly everything they do sounds fake. It is often literally unbelievable to a normal person and if you try to explain it to someone who hasn't seen this behavior on full blast with their own eyes, they will assume you're exaggerating.

Post: #32

Is thar a photo of this whale and the dude? Guaranteeing he can do better.

Post: #33

The guy seems like a bit of a dweeb but overall I think he handled it well, especially for being a dweeb/not totally redpill.

Post: #34

(04-03-2017 03:15 PM)LastKing Wrote:  The guy seems like a bit of a dweeb but overall I think he handled it well, especially for being a dweeb/not totally redpill.

Only way to win was not to play, but he could have cut it off with "Haha, wow." when she went nutty and left it at that to let her rage and quintuple-text.

If she follows up at any point, give her the ole' "Who is this?"

Post: #35

(04-03-2017 02:35 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Is thar a photo of this whale and the dude? Guaranteeing he can do better.

Here she's getting an award





from SIF

Post: #36

I decided tow rite a post about this; the male in the equation is a codependent. Here's the relevant portion (introduction snipped):

It's an amusing exchange; her meltdown is perfect example of Millennial entitlement and narcissism. Paracelsus at the Roosh V Forum sums it up thusly:

Quote: ...a narcissist sees themselves as the protagonist of their own film. Which wouldn't be so much of a problem if they didn't therefore assign lesser roles or extras parts to everyone else in their lives. It's not that they aren't people, it's just they're ... less important. Not fully real.

This is the reason the ending of The Sopranos was both accurate and set off so many rages in its viewers: because it's Tony, a lethal narcissist, dying, but with no end credits, no final swell of the main theme. That's not how it's meant to happen, even if it actually does reflect well the onset of death: cue curtain, no encore, cut to black.

It's fairly clear that something sets off the woman's rage. All rage comes from a narcissistic injury. It comes from a strike to the rager's identity. Therefore: what about this guy constituted a threat to her identity?

The reply he made that triggered her off was this: "No, not at all. I felt the same way, so I'm really glad you said that." That is: I don't see you as a romantic partner.

In this context, the words are the threat to the woman. She cannot fear being raped or beaten up by the dude, he's at the other end of a phone line, so it's those words which cause the rage.

And why? Because -- the narcissist being the protagonist -- she's pissed he's flubbing his lines. He isn't playing the part of the loser that she had cast him in, said casting session being the date and her reasons for casting him in that role being his income ($55K), his career (carer), and his physicality (balding and limping). He doesn't get to think she's not desirable, that's meant to be for guys that turn her on. Extras aren't meant to have independent judgement.

She desperately tries to get him back on script: "I know rejection stings but you don't have to get salty..." -- here, idiot, here's what you need to be saying, stop doing that whole fully-formed person thing, it's scaring the fuck out of me that you might see through the identity I've constructed for myself.

And to top it off: "If you didn't think there was anything there why the fuck did you text me today?" I have cast you in the role of the loser and/or disinterested guy who doesn't call back, why didn't you follow your fucking script, don't you know you're supporting role?

That question is genuine, by the way, guys. She genuinely cannot conceive why a guy would call back if he wasn't interested in her. Just take a moment and think through the implications of that statement and what it says about a woman, shit, a human being who thinks that. That is a measure of how deeply the idea that he might have ideas or judgments of his own impacts on her.

Let's leave aside that necessarily she has been told, or has convinced herself, that she is desirable and special and all that. You are looking at the condition afflicting much if not most of the female population in the West right now.

No more needs to be said about her. The life she lives every day is punishment enough for her transgressions.

Instead, let us focus on ToastedCookieOats, and consider what's going on with him. Is he Beta? Blue Pill? Without a doubt - the fact that he has an account on Reddit is proof of that. But there's more going on here than merely acting like a simp - he's a perfect example of a narcissistic codependent.

Even within this short exchange, several red flags pop up:

She lied about her weight with old photos, and he said nothing,
She badgered him about his income, and he allowed it,
She ignored him all night, texting on her phone instead,

...and he still sent her a text the next day saying "It was great to meet you!"

Codependence is a topic which The Rawness has covered at some length. They are the inverse companion to the narcissist, giving the latter the attention they crave, while secretly considering themselves to be the superior one. They seek out abusers to prove their sainthood through tolerance, and and are ultimately narcissistic in their own, covert way.

Quote: For example, although narcissists act like they think they’re better than everyone and have superior, arrogant attitudes, the fact remains that they crave admiration the way a heroin addict craves heroin. So even though the narcissist acts superior to everyone around them, they secretly crave and need the attention and approval of these so-called inferiors, and if deprived of it will begin to act pathetic and even plead and subjugate themselves if desperate enough.

Also, codependents may be considered to be self-effacing person with self-subjugating tendencies. However, there is definitely a quiet grandiosity among codependents, and subtle ways in which they think they’re superior to others. For example, when the narcissist tells the codependent a sob story about how everyone else has mistreated her before she met the codependent, the codependent believes he will be the one who will finally treat the narcissist right and “save” her. He has no trouble believing that he will prove himself to be the best partner the narcissist ever had, no matter what the background or attributes of her ex-es.

This is precisely how ToastedCookieOats is behaving. He not only tolerated her bad behaviour (plenty of men might have put up with it to avoid making a scene), he actively encouraged it by praising her the next day. She correctly interpreted his second message as a passive-aggressive attempt to flip the script: instead of conforming to her narrative (popular girl with endless options), he's the long-suffering Nice Guy Male Feminist™ who's using her as a prop to prove his virtue. Then - as if this whole situation weren't embarrassing enough - he went onto Reddit/Cringe (a subreddit named after its users, rather than the links they post) and openly displayed this dysfunctional situation for all and sundry to see, as if he didn't come off looking just as terrible as her!

The question as to whether or not he's Beta can't be answered until his codependence is addressed. Were he to achieve mental health he could wind up anywhere on the hierarchy. At present, he's actively seeking out women who exhibit bad behaviour; he craves their abuse, because that makes him the good guy - the superior. And by showing off this great 'virtue' after weeks of their selfishness, he can drive them into a spiral of rage - and that's where he gets his identity.

When feminists complain about men, they're complaining about the sort of men who surround them: nasty pieces of work like ToastedCookieOats, "nice guys" whom they're battling them in a zero-sum game of ego dominance. So when you hear feminists complain about men who give women orgasms - there is a certain demented logic to it all. It's nothing but narcissists crashing into narcissists in our narcissistic age. Better not to engage with any of them.

Post: #37

A fantastic exploration and breakdown of both Toasted and this entitled women and how there is a distinction between co-dependent and beta; something that hasn't really been analyzed till now.

We've just never come across a post quite like this. Honestly, it looked to me at first glance that this guy was bossing it so to speak. However, there's far more to the picture as Davis points out.

Quote:
"Codependence is a topic which The Rawness has covered at some length. They are the inverse companion to the narcissist, giving the latter the attention they crave, while secretly considering themselves to be the superior one. They seek out abusers to prove their sainthood through tolerance, and and are ultimately narcissistic in their own, covert way."

Essentially its an entirely new form of sub-conscious white knighting with elements of virtue signaling. Even more scary is that (1) I didn't notice it until now and (2) this is ingrained in our culture and interrelations between people.

Breaking new waters again. Glad to see it Aurini. I'll also link to his post because you ALL should read it. It's refreshing reading on dynamics that haven't really been touched by the manosphere of old.

Post: #38

Some people grow up being raised exceedingly polite within polite societies. I suspect the dude in this exchange is such a man. I also suspect that this taste of First Blood may turn him into Shitlordius Maximus. May it be so.

Post: #39

The fat thing aside, there is so much else wrong with the description of this date.
1. She asks his rate of pay...and he actually tells her? Whether he told her the truth or not, any woman on a date asks me that type of question is asking to end the evening.

2. He sat there while she texted and played with her phone throughout. Again, I would would shut that right the hell down.

3. Considerably late, I would presume with no explanation.

4. One-word-answer conversation? No effort made.

I would not have texted the ill-bred guttersnipe at all.

Post: #40

I'm not convinced he's "beta".

He has an average paying job in an admirable field, presuming he's a paramedic as was mentioned. Balding, but no mention of being in bad shape. If he's carrying patients around he is probably in good shape.

So basically he's an average guy who helps people. And based on his texts is polite with a sense of humor. In other words, not the pick of the litter but a decent guy.

Her on the other hand is confirmed to be morbidly obese with an awful personality. On the 1-10 scale, she's at best a 1. Yet it seems like she expects Prince Charming when she'd be lucky to get a toad.

Example five million of why telling women they are all beautiful and perfect, and that everything is a man's fault, is such a disaster and is having horrible ramifications on society.

Post: #41

(04-03-2017 10:49 AM)hv123 Wrote:  A 300lb woman is a super morbidly obese, disgusting fat fuck. What does it even say about this guy that he didn't fuck off straight out of there at first sight. Never mind that, if this is to be believed as not fake, he sent her a Mr Nice guy message the next day.

That's what I thought as well. A woman who weights that much is disgusting to even look at, let alone something more. I'm surprised he didn't run away when she appeared on the date. I know I would.

Post: #42

(04-10-2017 12:34 PM)Gambler Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 10:49 AM)hv123 Wrote:  A 300lb woman is a super morbidly obese, disgusting fat fuck. What does it even say about this guy that he didn't fuck off straight out of there at first sight. Never mind that, if this is to be believed as not fake, he sent her a Mr Nice guy message the next day.

That's what I thought as well. A woman who weights that much is disgusting to even look at, let alone something more. I'm surprised he didn't run away when she appeared on the date. I know I would.

I would just walk out straight away. Mind you a 180 pounder is pretty fat already.

Post: #43

This story comes from another thread, and it pertains to a few of the doubters that something like this could happen.

I was (and still am, somewhat) using this agency to do some devils work for me. Some of the story here; I have more stories, and should really update that thread. Its a good one.

I meet up with a girl and she is hot. I am not into 'being on a date' that night, I had been getting a lot of sex and that particular night I just wanted to drink a few beers with a buddy. It showed, as I could not be the dancing monkey she would require for me to get laid. So I kept it friendly.

A couple days later I text her as I remember she is hot and now I am horny and want to bang her. She texts back essentially the same thing as fatty here.

I text back "likewise. Good luck"

No response here, but I see her about a week later. I don't recognize her (ha) but she is with a girl who knows my bartending buddy so I chat her up a bit. She is a super bitch and internally I think I must know her. I do some memory carding and realize she is the girl I had a drink with the other week.

So yeah, women and rejection - even after they have rejected you - is a real thing. Where the story becomes humor is when a woman (sp?) of 300lbs can get away with anything resembling sexual biology and especially having choice.

Post: #44

That was pretty funny.

My first reaction was it was a quality troll, and my second was 'it never happened'.

Great breakdown on the narcissism angle. Rang a lot of bells.

(04-07-2017 07:50 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  A fantastic exploration and breakdown of both Toasted and this entitled women and how there is a distinction between co-dependent and beta; something that hasn't really been analyzed till now.

We've just never come across a post quite like this. Honestly, it looked to me at first glance that this guy was bossing it so to speak. However, there's far more to the picture as Davis points out.

Quote:
"Codependence is a topic which The Rawness has covered at some length. They are the inverse companion to the narcissist, giving the latter the attention they crave, while secretly considering themselves to be the superior one. They seek out abusers to prove their sainthood through tolerance, and and are ultimately narcissistic in their own, covert way."

Essentially its an entirely new form of sub-conscious white knighting with elements of virtue signaling. Even more scary is that (1) I didn't notice it until now and (2) this is ingrained in our culture and interrelations between people.

Breaking new waters again. Glad to see it Aurini. I'll also link to his post because you ALL should read it. It's refreshing reading on dynamics that haven't really been touched by the manosphere of old.

I'm also going to give that a gander. Interesting new perspective indeed. I'm dealing with family members at the moment with some low-level abuse going on, and also the martyrdom that results from it. At first I thought the abuser was to blame and the martyr was just being a saint, but now I'm not so sure. The martyr is taking it a little too well. It's frightening to think they may have provoked the situation in some sub-conscious way, perhaps totally oblivious to their own narcissism and underlying provocation.

This is real food for thought for me, because I've kind of reached an impasse in trying to understand irrational people - it's very draining on the psyche. This gives me a new avenue to explore.

And the detailed analysis of the underlying narcissism is very useful as well. A lot of mental tools provided right there.

As for the codependent narcissism, it reminds me of a situation I was in with a serial victim, who was actually the abuser, but got her kicks by being the poor victim. I'm not sure if narcissism came in to it my end according to this model, but I was definitely co-dependent. But more through necessity than any kind of ego need. It was an extremely damaging time and I am yet to fully recover from it. Everything in life has a knock on effect, and I was weak, I will admit that.

I'm surprised as well how much the whole narcissist thing rings bells in me internally. I don't think I'm a narcissist. But then again, I doubt narcissists ever do. I guess we all have a bit of narcissism in us, after all, we all have egos, and we all use ego defense-mechanisms to protect ourselves.

But I have known true narcissists who border on being sociopaths/psychopaths. Highly manipulative and actually dangerous, putting several people in the hospital (all good friends before they beat the snot out of them). I got a few kickings and slaps along the way as well. But I came out of it Ok. Jeebus, now I sound like a serial victim, co-dependent narcissist. NOooo.

I doubt I am a narcissist though, I'm just not manipulative enough. I'm an open book really. I'm also not full of myself and don't have great self-esteem, genuinely realising that, where a true narcissist does indeed have very poor self-esteem but does not internalise that fact and is forever trying to make up for it, without actually facing the fact.

I'm working on my self-esteem and think I'm doing alright. When I look in the mirror in the morning I just see someone who fucked up a bit and is trying to make good. But I also see a good person, even if I am a bit invisible to the outer world around me. I'm taking responsibility and narcissists never take responsibility - it is always someone else's fault. That is my layman's understanding of it anyway. I'm also Ok with the fact that the outer world doesn't notice me that much - why should they? There's nothing special about me.

Must look in to this narcissism thing a bit more, all the same. Psychology absolutely fascinates me and I really do think it is under-utilised. When practised well it has grand revelations of both inner and outer world. I haven't had great experiences with people who were supposed to be professionals with it though. Then again, that's probably just because I'm a narcissist! :-)

As for this bloke, I really think he had a bit of a dry sense of humour. Perhaps it was not intentional, but if he had been doing a proper troll, he couldn't have played it much better. He lured her right in. I think he should have just said: No problemo, I understand, I wouldn't want to keep you from your keep-fat classes. And left it at that.

Then again, that might have just been the narcissistic part of his personality coming in to play.

I wish I hadn't read this thread! I'm calling my shrink.


Sorry, have to go now, I know you're all hanging on my every word, but I've got a stray hair out of place that I've just noticed in the mirror I have mounted directly above my computer monitor....

Post: #45

(04-03-2017 02:18 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The reality is that she very strongly knew why he rejected her - mostly due to her weight.

She simply was utterly deluded about her market value due to the fact that she banged hotter man.

That is the old misunderstanding that we bemoan about women - it does not matter who bangs you, it matters who will want to have a LTR with you.

Wisdom right here.

I reckon she knew during the date that she was too fat to be of interest to this guy, and needed to reframe it as HER rejection of him.

When he let slip he didn't fancy her the nuke went off.

Post: #46

(04-10-2017 04:35 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  I'm surprised as well how much the whole narcissist thing rings bells in me internally. I don't think I'm a narcissist. But then again, I doubt narcissists ever do. I guess we all have a bit of narcissism in us, after all, we all have egos, and we all use ego defense-mechanisms to protect ourselves.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you...narcissist

Quote:The "traditional" way to formally determine if someone had a narcissistic personality was to administer a 40-question survey known as the Narcissistic Personality Inventory. The inventory measures overall narcissism and its component traits, but takes a long time to complete (as you will find if and when you try it yourself). That can be problematic for researchers, especially when they are only interested in an overall gauge of someone's narcissism. Part of the challenge is that subjects get bored and distracted, and then drop out of studies.

But researchers have recently found that, if you just want an overall view of narcissism, you can seemingly replace that 40-question inventory with a one-question assessment: "How narcissistic are you?"

Quote:The key insight behind this approach is that people who are narcissists aren't embarrassed by it, so they don't hold back on saying so. People who are not narcissistic would feel ashamed to be seen as such, and so they tend to rate themselves low on the scale.

Post: #47

I think we can all wager what really happened here.

The guy was thirsty and 'thanked' her for the date as a hail mary to get off from anything other than his hand. She was probably the 27th chick he had hit up at that night.

Of course, after getting rejected by the she-whale, he was livid. He had to save face. And you've got to hand it to him...He did that brilliantly!

If I ever get friendzoned by a chick, that's going to be my go-to response. That's some freudian genius right there haha...

Post: #48

There is the healthy narcissism in all of us that wants us to 'put our best foot forward' in life, so to speak.

The unhealthy narcissism in us is at the expense of our propensity for empathy for ourselves & others. This is the basis of forming a 'falsse self' & a completely manufactured personality that is at odds with the objective reality around us.

See my signature.

Post: #49

(04-10-2017 07:56 PM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  There is the healthy narcissism in all of us that wants us to 'put our best foot forward' in life, so to speak.

The unhealthy narcissism in us is at the expense of our propensity for empathy for ourselves & others. This is the basis of forming a 'falsse self' & a completely manufactured personality that is at odds with the objective reality around us.

See my signature.

Everything converges to the Gamma Master Thread.