Post: #176

My speculative answer is that maybe some racial and ethnic groups were more selected for in terms of feminine beauty. This would explain why people around the world agree that certain types of women are more attractive than others.

The Peruvian or Bolivian looking woman in speakeasy's photo has more red blood cells than other indigenous people in South America, as an adaptation to living at high altitude.

There was a selective pressure for Andean and Tibetan people to more efficiently process oxygen at altitude.

It may be that some groups had an analogous selective pressure for physical beauty.

Post: #177

CUT CUT CUT!!! Can we please get back to game and technics. Not Philosophy...

Post: #178

White girls abroad seem to like to cheef. The town I was at in Belize over the weekend had maybe 20 white girls. They are mostly volunteers for the reef or some other conservation efforts. All under 30. The locals would smoke them out and end up smashing.

A white girl aboard is different from a USA bish. Alot more open and alot easier. I DHV, show them a good time, and dress better than the tourist. American girls are tough to crack.

Post: #179

(10-13-2013 03:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Here's an overarching theme I've always wondered but have no clear answer. Is beauty objective or is it truly in the eye of the beholder? Do people only like what they like because they were conditioned to like a certain thing?

Virtually every man on the planet would take this:



over this:



But is that because of conditioning or because there's something in our genetics that makes us gravitate toward certain features? If you found a group of Bolivian men deep in the Amazon who have had zero exposure to Western culture, would they prefer someone who looks like Kate Upton over one of their own women? I wonder about that. Did Africans think whites looked ugly when whites first arrived in Africa?

It could very well be the case that our preferences are 100% ingrained by social conditioning. Maybe if all we saw from birth were indigenous Bolivian women on the cover of magazines and as lead actresses, we'd grow up thinking they are gorgeous. I'm sure Quechua men found them perfectly satisfactory in pre-Colombian times. As for non-white guys who are crazy about white girls, I think it's often nothing more than fetishism. Not much different than white guys who fetishize Japanese school girls or who want to go to an Asian pussy paradise and have their run with the women. Is it unhealthy? Well I guess it is if you have no access to those women and you drive yourself crazy with frustration. For some as well, I think it may stem from an inferiority complex of being a non-white living in a society where whites dominate. They may have internalized the notion that they are an "outgroup" and dating/marrying women from their own group would reinforce their outgroup status.

And in some cases, maybe some people just have a natural preference for a certain look and it doesn't stem from self-hatred or fetishism. They just like a certain thing and prefer it over others while still respecting the others. Members of that group may fulfill certain qualities that they have a hard time finding in their own group. For example, if a man wants a small-framed and demure woman that ages well, he may gravitate toward Asian women. If a woman prefers tall, alpha, outgoing, athletic guys, she may develop an interest in black men.

And obviously it could also be a combination of all the above.

well, FWIW, Asian and Caucasian women, in general, have smaller noses, bigger eyes, and more "juvenile" looking faces than other ethnic groups.
also, fair skin/hair connote youth. girls usually get tanned skin and darker hair as they grow older and are exposed to more sunshine

Quote:In a cross-cultural study, more neotenized female faces were the most attractive to men while less neotenized female faces were the least attractive to men, regardless of the females' actual age.[25] Using a panel of "Asian", "Hispanic" and "White" judges, Michael R. Cunningham found that the Asian, Hispanic and White female faces found most attractive were those that had "neonate large eyes, greater distance between eyes, and small noses"[26] and his study led him to conclude that "large eyes" were the most "effective" of the "neonate cues".[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

Post: #180

(09-23-2013 03:04 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  So in conclusion we can say race makes a difference, but it isn't absolutely determinative how well you will do at the individual level. But I think we would be deluding ourselves to deny how much race makes a difference in America. If you're a black dude in the south trying to game SEC sorority white girls, good luck, you'll need it. Maybe you'll get a drunken bang on the DL from time to time, but if you're looking for an actual chic that will acknowledge you to her social circle, good luck. Certain swaths of this country, quality white girls are simply inaccessible to black men. I'm not whining about it by any means, people can date or not date whoever they want. But let's just call it for what it is. Game doesn't necessarily overcome everything.

Looks like SpeakEasy knew what he was talking about:




a couple points:
1.) those guys look like fucking chodes and I wouldnt want them in my party either (especially if it was a camera with them) they don't have a party frame, or jovial aura and it seems like they just want to come in and stand around and look or mope. Why would you want to bring that energy into your party?

2.) having feminist align themselves with any organization immediately brings its value down (IMO). Which is why i don't like sexism, homophobia being thrown into the same pot as racism. its all very different and unique things. And by these people labeling themselves Liberals/Progressives it muddys the water for REAL Progressives which is basically people with common sense and ethics. That organization just looks weak, has weak points, and it appears to have weak members. Now I am all for equality but why make it appear as if you are whining. This organization (Mallet) is a WEAK and pointless organization of narcissistic people engaging in acts of false virtue. They aren't doing anything actually productive and don't seem like they are even trying. FUCK THEM!!!!

3.) with all that said, their are A LOT of white guys and girls in black fraternities and sororities. and have been for years.

http://cw.ua.edu/2011/09/21/diversity-in...nizations/

Quote:“What I’ve come to find is that, for someone who’s not an African-American to join a sorority or fraternity, we pretty much welcome it with open arms,”

http://itismymind.blogspot.com/2006/02/w...ities.html

Quote:...Dr. Jere Roberson, a 60-year-old professor at the University of Central Oklahoma, who pledged Omega Psi Phi Fraternity in 1977. Though he grew up in segregated Nashville and attended Auburn University in Alabama during the tenure of segregationist Governor George Wallace, he considers joining the Black fraternity one of most important moments of his life. He still remembers walking in line with his Omega brothers and holding a lamp as a pledge.

"They make me feel at home, comfortable and happy,

Youtube link of white guy stepping with his fraternity brothers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq0VpLqrLq4


================================================================================​==========
I wanted to bring this up because SpeakEasy said something important...some members like to think that Race is just a "barrier" that can be overcame with persistence and game. They seem to think that these "Black guy..." threads are pointless and trolling. They believe race is a concept in our mind. But in my opinion its not.

Race IS a factor....a STRONG FACTOR...and any man under the age of 50 should not want to waste ANY of his time going to places where he is not wanted for things beyond his control. Because we can control our weight, our lifestyle and our game...not our height nor our skin complexion.

so if someone says stay the fuck away from Country X or City Y, they despise men under 5'10 in this country or they're hard on black guys here, its valuable info to consider if that is a place where you plan on gaming....especially if you are 5'6 and black.

Post: #181

The funny thing is is that they had no problem getting in that party.

Post: #182

(09-22-2013 05:07 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  In the spirit of exchange and the other popular thread on the opposite combination, I thought I'd start with my experiences.

White girls are way less aggressive than black girls in general, and more fickle. That said, it is the second largest interracial coupling in the US after white men/asian women. Generally the higher their income/education the tougher it will be as a minority/black guy, regardless of their political affiliation what matters most with them is race then class. Thus the phenomenon of famous/rich/athlete black dudes with hot blondes.

They are the most pedestalized women overall, but if you have the right "angle" you can bag them easily.

I'd place white girls into 3 categories:

1) Girls that really like black dudes, and actively pursue them such as in hip hop/reggae clubs.

2) Girls that are not going out of their way to find a black dude, but are open to the idea. Usually they've never dated a black guy before.

3) Girls that actively ignore black guys.

I say its roughly 20/50/30 in each category. Having success in the first category you don't have to do anything other than be black in the right place at the right time.

Second category girls you probably need a hook such as education, a little more income, or higher than average status. They tend to be more attractive than the first category, but also tougher to keep around.

Third category girls are brick walls. I have had limited success with them though, but the "white girl" qualities I highlighted above are magnified x10. They'll probably be initially curious (i.e. interested in your dick) if you press the interaction and pass their shit tests. They'll view you as a walking dick and won't really take you seriously at all beyond that point.

Your thoughts?

Pretty solid breakdowns. All jibe with my experience...Good choice of topic

Post: #183

(09-22-2013 05:12 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  ^ Also, the best way to game them is via face to face interaction in either night game or social circle game. Online is 10x tougher if your black for reasons I am not entirely sure of, but stereotypes I'm sure play a big factor.

Honestly, I have found the opposite to be true to an extent. Since my HARD clubbing days are behind me, I've "calibrated" my Game to the online world as well. Though there seems to be a built-in bias at times, you can use that to YOUR advantage.

I can't recall how many times I was told from an POF or OKC prospect that they were "pleasantly surprised" with how I came at them. Proper punctuation is IMPERATIVE, and throw a question in there like 'How would your friends describe you'? Then play off of her response from there like normal. It's really just an EXTENSION of face to face, but you get to create your own reality by knocking down the existing barriers. Feel me?

Post: #184

(09-22-2013 07:39 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  For the best quality you want to hit the Midwest and West Coast. Totally different reception in those regions (in a good way).

I second this motion!!! I am a life long Midwesterner, originally from Michigan but not in Chi-town. Though Chicago has a history of segregated neighborhoods, there is enough diversity here that everyone dates everyone (to an extent).

I found back home in certain pockets of my home state, that ALL women were MORE aggressive in terms of getting @ you. It's like night and day. Indiana is more like Michigan in that regard as well. These white/latina girls have gone to school with black counterparts all their lives, so it's not that culture shock that would occur otherwise.

As far as activities, being cloer to the city and various suburbs out here is ideal for a single guy looking to meet white chicks. These women have careers and disposable income (although I have my own), it makes for a BETTER experience for us fellas. Being in a midwest college town only AMPLIFIES your chances. Back in my hometown, you actually see more interracial couple than ANY other type. It's the NORM...took some adjusting when I moved to Chicagoland. Ha,ha

Post: #185

(09-22-2013 08:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I've spent a lot of timing gaming in Cambridge, which is the inter-racial dating mecca of New England.

From what I see, Black men are tied in second place or are in third place as the best demographic to get White girls after White guys. So if you're a Black man who likes White girls DO NOT DESPAIR, you have it better than Asian, Hispanic, or Indian (these guys have it so bad you have no idea) men.

I would put Black dudes at second place with Middle Eastern men, maybe a little below them, but it's a close race for sure.

That said, there are certain looks that go much further as a Black man - if you've got a mixed ancestry of black, for example, Mulatto, Middle East + Black, or Black + Hispanc, you will do better than just pure African Black. Don't know why that is, but from what I've seen more exotic Black looking men do better than "regular" Black men.

Additionally, there are three levels to Black men going for white girls:

1. Banging - this one should be easy for any Black men. You guys have bigger dicks and bigger frames and tons of girls are curious.

In terms of percentages - 20% interested, 50% need game, 30% do not like Black men at all.

2. Dating - this one is much tougher but short term relationships are definitely possible. Most girls who go with Black men expect you to be dominant so act like it, but don't go as hard as you would with Sistas.

Percentages - 10% interested, 30% need game, 60% not interested.

3. Marriage/children - this one is insanely tough for Black guys, there is a serious stigma about Black men who ditch their wives (let's face it, 70% illegitimacy is nothing to sneeze at) and once a white woman has a black child, the chances of her ever dating a white men again becomes extremely small if not zero.

Percentages - 5% interested, 15% need game, 80% not interested.


That said - since most of the brothas on here aren't looking for marriage anytime soon, especially in America, these percentages probably don't concern you. In terms of sex, Black men should be able to feast upon the many white girls who want the sexual experience only Black men can give. Just be prepared for many girls not to take you seriously in terms of LTR potential.

By far and away the best demographic for Black men to target are White girls who have never had a Black cock and are curious. These White girls are usually young and hot too, I have often seen a young Black player with a hot blonde slampiece walking by his side in the middle of Boston turning heads everywhere they go. Once White girls have a Black cock or two, they of course start to become jaded and stop caring about the Black exotic factor. After that, it becomes much harder for a Black man to bang and you'll just be another set of balls for her to manipulate. Obviously this shouldn't be a surprise to most Black men; young girls are better - no shit Sherlock.

From what I've observed how a Black man approaches a White girl matters way more than how a White guy approaches a White girl. Don't come on to them with compliments, but instead just approach with a relaxed, cool, chill, and friendly vibe. Don't worry about keeping super strong body language like you might with a Black girl - instead, let your posture relax, let your shoulders hang a bit more, and let your chest sink in a bit. Of course, you should still stand straight, but white girls are easily intimidated and if you approach them with a menacing look they'll be scared shitless.

Once you've started the approach, do not be too serious and deadpan. Humor is the best way to make a White girl feel comfortable with you, and if you're able to make her smile (duh) then you're looking at a good chance to bounce her out of a venue. A Black man himself needs to smile every now and then to make sure the White girl knows he is safe and friendly.

I'll never forget one of the most impressive pickups I've ever seen at Club Middlesex in Cambridge, where a Black man with a rasta look and long-dreaded hair went up to a smoking hot brunette and pulled her out of the club in under fifteen minutes. She was at the bar and he went up behind her and tapped her on the shoulder. She turned around and he introduced himself and started to spit some game. He was smiling and super animated, and at one point he bent over backwards while leaning on his knees, and kept his torso facing up, while keeping his elbows bent with his arms and palms facing outward. He was just joking around and acting like a bit of a goofball but the White chick ate it up and was laughing hysterically, loving his vibe. He just took her hand after that and pulled her out of the club.

Now that sort of tactic could never work for a White man. Acting too goofy and she'll peg him as a clown. White guys are better off acting strong towards White women, especially since the average White guy is a weak pathetic pussy, but for Black guys the opposite is true. Black guys already have the image of being a badass, so you need to take the fearsome edge off with a bit of play and humor to make her feel safe and comfortable around you. Once the smiles start the vaginas will get wet and from there you can escalate without fear of being rejected.

Another Black man who was very successful with White women would simply dominate the club with crazy good dancing, and then wait for white girls to approach him. Once they approached him, he would be all smiles and he would mostly keep his hands to himself. Girls would give him their numbers, plus he was a damn good looking man himself (tall, ethically mixed Black man himself). This strategy worked because he did not scare off white women by being too aggressive, which is a common mistake most Black men make when going for White girls. For sure, however, his looks played a big factor into it, but always remember - GAME IS THE SAME no matter your looks/money, and this guy knew the score as a good looking Black man with impressive dance moves.

Obviously, I cannot give the same kind of advice a Black man could give to other Black men to get White chicks, but as a White man who has observed many pickups in his time (in addition to speaking with White women about the races), I can tell you what I have seen to work and provide information as the outsider looking in. Hopefully this may help a Black man on this forum.

Nice work, I have made the same observations...ironically observation skills are ESSENTIAL in any situation

Post: #186

(11-08-2013 01:04 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Honestly, I have found the opposite to be true to an extent. Since my HARD clubbing days are behind me, I've "calibrated" my Game to the online world as well. Though there seems to be a built-in bias at times, you can use that to YOUR advantage.

I can't recall how many times I was told from an POF or OKC prospect that they were "pleasantly surprised" with how I came at them. Proper punctuation is IMPERATIVE, and throw a question in there like 'How would your friends describe you'? Then play off of her response from there like normal. It's really just an EXTENSION of face to face, but you get to create your own reality by knocking down the existing barriers. Feel me?

None of this can be overemphasized.

Contrast game is key for black males looking to date any non-white women in the United States. The further you are from expected stereotypes, the more romantic options you will have.

Post: #187

(09-23-2013 03:40 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 03:24 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Quote:Lol. Online dating? Still not buying it. Tons of white guys here complain about pipelining. Have you even bothered to investigate? Check the OKC thread. Every man reports getting shot down by 4s and 5s behaving like they're 8s and 9s.

Brah, I'm on OKC right now. I'm a good looking dude with a high value profile. Guess what my response rate is? 10%. There was a study done on this.

What are your online results?

I'm not saying white girls are some unattainable goal online, far from it. But let's try to stick as close to the facts of reality as we can.

10% is about right. I've heard other guys say about the same. I don't pipeline domestically. If the stats in your link were truly reflective of reality, then why is it that according to the US Census that black male/white female interracial marriage couples are only second to asian female/white male?

Because it's not. I believe both White Male/Hispanic Female and White Female/Hispanic Males marriages are greater in number than Black Male/White Female.

Post: #188

(11-10-2013 10:31 PM)Smallfoot Wrote:  Because it's not. I believe both White Male/Hispanic Female and White Female/Hispanic Males marriages are greater in number than Black Male/White Female.

"Hispanic" is not a racial category, which is why they're often not factored into rankings of interracial pairings.

If we're discussing all inter-ethnic unions, then we have a different story.

Post: #189

Be that as it may, in the U.S. "Hispanic" is treated and seen as a distinct race, even if the federal government doesn't categorize it that way.

And since the vast majority of Hispanics in the U.S. are of mixed racial ancestry, it's not unreasonable to consider them in any conversation of racially mixed couples.

Post: #190

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/artic...ck-husband

I'll bump this thread because I found a relevant article in the news today.

This super religious lady's faith has been tested because her daughter brought home a black man and she gives a reflection on how it's made her think and feel about herself and gives advice to others about what they should do if it ever happens to them.

I really can't believe this is such a thing sometimes. I mean it's not like she brought home Jayquan from the ave or anything. Seemed to me like a well put together brother.

Post: #191

You've been abroad too long!
This is not hard to believe at all.

WIA

Post: #192

(08-10-2016 08:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You've been abroad too long!
This is not hard to believe at all.

WIA

You are right. I haven't dated an American girl in years.

Here I have not once worried about parents not liking me. The most I have heard is the parents start to get nervous that I will take their daughter back to America with me if the relationship takes off.

This stems from the past here where everyone is afraid of being called a Nazi if they aren't open to other races/cultures.

Post: #193

Probably category 2? Why do you think she is category 3?

Post: #194

Does any of you guys have any experience with albanian girls in New York or Boston?

Post: #195

Did someone say White women?

Post: #196

Not really.. Albanian girls are actually not that easy to find in NYC. Not sure about Boston.

Post: #197

Not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet, but I highly suggest you write a Youtube that goes by the name of Player Supreme.

He's an old school mack type that mostly went for white women and knows a lot about it.

Post: #198

If you are a black guy dating white chicks, how do you deal with the stares and the racist cock blockers?

Post: #199

(08-13-2016 01:38 PM)Pride male Wrote:  If you are a black guy dating white chicks, how do you deal with the stares and the racist cock blockers?

When you're driving your car do you care if people stare?

Me neither.

Post: #200

(08-13-2016 01:38 PM)Pride male Wrote:  If you are a black guy dating white chicks, how do you deal with the stares and the racist cock blockers?

I look at those black women in the face and run my fingers through Becky's blonde hair.

WIA